A hacked database from AI companion site Muah.ai exposes peoples' particular kinks and fantasies they've asked their bot to engage in. It also shows many of them are trying to use the platform to generate child abuse material.
Why tf would ANYONE want to wait until a child is raped just to do anything. What the actual fuck.
Use a tipline or do what other reputable pedo catchers do. Probe/tempt/lure them.
That’s like waiting until a kid, who is showing all the signs of being a school shooter, to shoot up a school and only then will people attempt to stop them.
See, imo this is the exact kind of thinking that makes pedophilia dangerous. Most people would agree that being attracted to children is a mental illness. Most people would agree that mental illnesses should be treated by a knowledgeable professional. But pedophilia is so stigmatized that someone even admitting they have a problem, one I very much doubt most of them want to have, has people calling for them to be drawn and quartered, regardless of if they’ve ever actually hurt anyone.
Do I like that there’s art and writing of people having fantasies about children? No, of course not. But making it impossible for people to have a safe outlet, to even talk about it with a medical professional for fear of imprisonment, death threats, or worse, makes it so these people can’t even get the help they need. It’s like teaching abstinence only sex ed. You’re trying to get people to stop having fantasies by burying them, but it only exacerbates the issue.
Edit: lol got your downvote less than five minutes in and the whole comment edited to just say “pedophiles bad.” I guess I, as you like to put it, “hit a nerve.”
snek has been permabanned from .world for their behavior in this thread. Somewhat refreshing to find a place where the admins recognize that voicing one’s violent murder fantasies doesn’t have a pedophile exception.
I personally think that pedophilia is genetic, or a chemical brain imbalance or something. There has to be something that would cause someone to do something they know that it they get caught, their life is over.
It’s like Louie CK’s joke from his SNL appearance. To paraphrase “I love Mounds bars, but if you told me I would be thrown in jail and raped or killed, I wouldn’t eat one ever again”
I personally think that pedophilia is genetic, or a chemical brain imbalance or something.
Any evidence of that, or just playing armchair scientist?
It seems a lot more likely that humans don’t have control over their attractions in general. Human sexuality has never been linked to specific genetics or brain chemistry, so maybe put the calipers away.
You don’t choose to be straight, you don’t choose to be gay. You don’t choose to like big boobs or little boobs. You don’t choose whether or not to be attracted to muscles. You literally don’t get to choose “your type”. You have your own set of attractions that you largely discover about yourself, rather than decide for yourself.
Pedophilia is likely no different. The only difference in practice is that most other types of interpersonal attraction can be ethically fulfilled between consenting adults. Pedophilia, by definition, cannot, as it involves someone who cannot ethically consent.
We need to start looking at people with inappropriate attractions as people who carry a burden.
You don’t choose to be straight, you don’t choose to be gay
I was going to add that to my argument, but i felt that it would get twisted into someone saying that gay people are pedophiles. I didn’t feel like arguing that point.
As a fiction writer, I do research on espionage, sabotage and even methods of assassination all the time. But I’m not going to make a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.
True poisoners, as Agatha Christie notes, use thallium, not arsenic nor cyanide (though ricin is good if you can get it.) Thallium assassins are also self-regulating, like demolitions experts, killing off those insufficiently careful when handling the stuff.
Modern police are lazy until enough of a stink is made to find a culprit for a specific incident, which is why modern assassins targeting VIPs will find a self-radicalized desperado and point them toward the target. This is the sort of thing FBI is looking for in the investigations of Crooks and Routh. They are likely just blue suicides (or green suicides in this case) but finding a operative pointing them towards Trump would indicate an actual plot. But even if those tracks are found, it would unlikely lead to a specific identity.
I know about this not just to write fiction, but also to understand how things happen, how our fall into one party autocracy and societal collapse plays out. And yes, it means I do a lot of web searches that might excite an onlooking behavioral research agent. Sadly, they’d find I’m yet another boring false positive, though if the nation does succumb to autocracy, I’d certainly write for the resistance. FBI may not care so much about that.
We often look up creepy things just so see if we can, and we do that a lot more than because we’re eager to build a bomb or fast-track our inheritance.
I missed the original comment and this discussion now makes no sense. Why would you edit the content of your comment when you don’t care about the points or the outrage?
I forget the details, but the long and short of it was that they were advocating for anyone found sending these prompts to an AI being put on an FBI watch list, along with something along the lines of “you’d want to know if your neighbor was doing this.” Then came at least three edits about how they didn’t care about downvotes.
Like it or not, pedophilia actually sometimes just occurs naturally in humans. To blanket reject all pedophiles even the ones that never offended probably worsens things rather than improving them (which I guess is your goal).
My main issue with such models is that CV ones could be trained on real pictures of real minors who are actually trafficked and their images and faces should never end up in the hands of people jerking off given the trauma they likely suffer from.
pedophiles are bad, if you think otherwise you’re pedophile enabling scum and are just as guilty as they are.
edit: I’ll wear the down votes like a badge of honor if it means pedophiles that train their grooming habits against AI are branded as pedophiles.
If I get to know all that stuff about my neighbors, my neighbors get to know tons of information about me too.
Hard pass. Wake me when someone commits a crime.
Why tf would ANYONE want to wait until a child is raped just to do anything. What the actual fuck.
Use a tipline or do what other reputable pedo catchers do. Probe/tempt/lure them.
That’s like waiting until a kid, who is showing all the signs of being a school shooter, to shoot up a school and only then will people attempt to stop them.
Americans frighten me
Me too
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Lmao are you out here saying we should essentially smear people for thought crimes?
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would this also apply to if you are pretending to shoot people online?
Dylan Klaybold did it… Or whatever his name is.
He made a map of his school in DOOM
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See, imo this is the exact kind of thinking that makes pedophilia dangerous. Most people would agree that being attracted to children is a mental illness. Most people would agree that mental illnesses should be treated by a knowledgeable professional. But pedophilia is so stigmatized that someone even admitting they have a problem, one I very much doubt most of them want to have, has people calling for them to be drawn and quartered, regardless of if they’ve ever actually hurt anyone.
Do I like that there’s art and writing of people having fantasies about children? No, of course not. But making it impossible for people to have a safe outlet, to even talk about it with a medical professional for fear of imprisonment, death threats, or worse, makes it so these people can’t even get the help they need. It’s like teaching abstinence only sex ed. You’re trying to get people to stop having fantasies by burying them, but it only exacerbates the issue.
Edit: lol got your downvote less than five minutes in and the whole comment edited to just say “pedophiles bad.” I guess I, as you like to put it, “hit a nerve.”
snek has been permabanned from .world for their behavior in this thread. Somewhat refreshing to find a place where the admins recognize that voicing one’s violent murder fantasies doesn’t have a pedophile exception.
I personally think that pedophilia is genetic, or a chemical brain imbalance or something. There has to be something that would cause someone to do something they know that it they get caught, their life is over.
It’s like Louie CK’s joke from his SNL appearance. To paraphrase “I love Mounds bars, but if you told me I would be thrown in jail and raped or killed, I wouldn’t eat one ever again”
Any evidence of that, or just playing armchair scientist?
It seems a lot more likely that humans don’t have control over their attractions in general. Human sexuality has never been linked to specific genetics or brain chemistry, so maybe put the calipers away.
You don’t choose to be straight, you don’t choose to be gay. You don’t choose to like big boobs or little boobs. You don’t choose whether or not to be attracted to muscles. You literally don’t get to choose “your type”. You have your own set of attractions that you largely discover about yourself, rather than decide for yourself.
Pedophilia is likely no different. The only difference in practice is that most other types of interpersonal attraction can be ethically fulfilled between consenting adults. Pedophilia, by definition, cannot, as it involves someone who cannot ethically consent.
We need to start looking at people with inappropriate attractions as people who carry a burden.
I was going to add that to my argument, but i felt that it would get twisted into someone saying that gay people are pedophiles. I didn’t feel like arguing that point.
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The same counterarguments work.
“When did you choose not to be a pedophile?”
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There are literally tv shows about how to get away with murder. Very popular ones. Those viewers don’t murder at a higher rate than others.
There’s literally a drama that was on ABC called, you guessed it, “How to Get Away With Murder”
As a fiction writer, I do research on espionage, sabotage and even methods of assassination all the time. But I’m not going to make a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.
True poisoners, as Agatha Christie notes, use thallium, not arsenic nor cyanide (though ricin is good if you can get it.) Thallium assassins are also self-regulating, like demolitions experts, killing off those insufficiently careful when handling the stuff.
Modern police are lazy until enough of a stink is made to find a culprit for a specific incident, which is why modern assassins targeting VIPs will find a self-radicalized desperado and point them toward the target. This is the sort of thing FBI is looking for in the investigations of Crooks and Routh. They are likely just blue suicides (or green suicides in this case) but finding a operative pointing them towards Trump would indicate an actual plot. But even if those tracks are found, it would unlikely lead to a specific identity.
I know about this not just to write fiction, but also to understand how things happen, how our fall into one party autocracy and societal collapse plays out. And yes, it means I do a lot of web searches that might excite an onlooking behavioral research agent. Sadly, they’d find I’m yet another boring false positive, though if the nation does succumb to autocracy, I’d certainly write for the resistance. FBI may not care so much about that.
We often look up creepy things just so see if we can, and we do that a lot more than because we’re eager to build a bomb or fast-track our inheritance.
Wait, how would a nuke with extra radiation fallout create a net negative death toll?
Because religious fanatics have been fighting over controlling access to the holy sites for centuries now, and show no sign of slowing down.
Making the place an exclusion zone would devalue those sites, except for the most determined.
The saltiness comes from all the jizz.
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…how would I know that?
I missed the original comment and this discussion now makes no sense. Why would you edit the content of your comment when you don’t care about the points or the outrage?
I forget the details, but the long and short of it was that they were advocating for anyone found sending these prompts to an AI being put on an FBI watch list, along with something along the lines of “you’d want to know if your neighbor was doing this.” Then came at least three edits about how they didn’t care about downvotes.
Like it or not, pedophilia actually sometimes just occurs naturally in humans. To blanket reject all pedophiles even the ones that never offended probably worsens things rather than improving them (which I guess is your goal).
My main issue with such models is that CV ones could be trained on real pictures of real minors who are actually trafficked and their images and faces should never end up in the hands of people jerking off given the trauma they likely suffer from.
Your psycho-pass is clouding, and your crime coefficient is well over 100.