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Hezbollah: Attacks IDF soldiers in base and kills only a soldier
Israel: Kills entire family in a home including two children to kill one soldier
Most moral army strikes again.
Their attacks also killed and injured several Israeli civilians, Hezbollah is not a lovely freedom fighting group that is careful to only target military bases.
This article says that they hit one israeli soldier. If a soldier on any side dies I don’t really care as they’ve both signed up for it. Just leave the civilians out of it.
they’ve both signed up for it
Fuck no they didn’t. Army service is compulsory in Israel, from age 18 and lasts over 2 years (back when I served it was 3 years for men and 2 years for women, but it has changed in the last decade and I don’t know the amount now)
I don’t know about Lebanon.
Then vote in a government that ends that. Soldiers are acceptable targets, civilians are not.
I did. My vote didn’t do shit - the party I voted for didn’t pass the threshold. For the first time ever, I might add. Their absence might be the very thing that caused the current abysmal government to form. And I participated in the MASSIVE protests last year after that happened.
You can refuse it like some israeli 18 year olds did.
Conscription is irrelevant as they were active soldiers on a military base. They were not reservists.
“I was just following order” is some shit from 1945 nobody cares.
As for refusing - it’s a fucking explosive topic. Some populations do it more than others. Some populations - Haredim - just don’t serve as a rule, not because of any good argument but because ThEy HavE To sTuDy ThE BIbLe!!! (it’s one of the topics that put us on the verge of civil war last year)
For non-insane people though, refusing military service is akin to refusing to pay taxes. It works sometimes, but good fucking luck, and most people don’t do it.
“they were not reservists” - exactly. Let me clarify this point.
You are forced by law to serve in the military as an active soldier at age 18. Virtually Israeli soldiers ranked Corporal, Sergeant and Staff Sergeant are in this mandatory serving period. This is active duty, not reserve duty, and the “active soldier” you mentioned is very likely to be this (I don’t know how to verify this).
You generally have to follow orders and you don’t get to decide what role you’ll be doing (although there are ways to affect it, I won’t get into it).
There are some who then stay longer, become officers, have a military career, whatever. I’m not discussing those as this bit is similar to voluntary military service in most countries.
The majority of people who finish the mandatory active duty are then released from the army, but depending on their role they remain reservists - they go live the civilian life, and every once in a while they must basically serve for a few days to both pitch in and keep up their own readiness. I’m not familiar with the details of how this works because, lucky me, I was released without reserve duty as my role didn’t have much value for reserve.
And of course, at times of war, mass reservist connections ensue. But active duty from age 18 is still active duty, not reserve.
Hope that clarifies it.
I know all of this of course, but then you either take the jail or demand asylum from israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWa2Uc97-ns
The Nazi’s also had conscription surely you don’t think every German went out of free will. Which brings us once again to
“I was just following order” is some shit from 1945 nobody cares.
If you knew all this why did you say this?
Conscription is irrelevant as they were active soldiers on a military base. They were not reservists.
It is literally conscription.
This article yes, but I live here and can tell you that the drone infiltrations and anti-tank missile launches by Hezbollah are happening throughout the day, every single day in the north of Israel. That’s why almost all civilians in the north have relocated to the center, driving up rent prices to unbearable levels for everybody. There are though, thankfully, thousands of households that opened up their homes to shelter and support their fellow citizens from the north and around the Gaza border.
Rocket sirens have calmed down a lot near the Gaza border (probably thanks to the IDF neutralizing more than half of Hamas forces by now), they happen only once every few days and they no longer reach the center of Israel these days. At least for now.
Geez if only Hezbollah gave a direct condition that would stop their attacks.
Something about a Schemocide in Schmaza I think…
Well, if the fighting stops in Gaza because the most moral army gets shamed into stepping back, poor ol’ Bibi is going to have to face that corruption trial. So the logical thing to do is open a new front to hold that off a while longer. Gives them time for Mossad to prime up something elsewhere.
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I’ll be cheeky and change the meaning of your comment: Yeah, those Hamas Nazis should fuck off of Israel and the world should stop helping them.
Any government that deals with a population it considers undesirable by withholding food, medicine, and potable water is a government committing genocide.
Disagreement just shows that ‘Never Again’ didn’t mean anything to you.
Fuck off, genocide apologist.
Oh dear
Fine, Tell me what genocide looks like. Tell me the methods that are different.
Tell me what conditions justify a government withholding food, medicine and portable water to a population it considers undesirable.
Tell me.
Justify your morally condescending “Oh dear”. Make it actually look like a reasonable response to the very simple definition of genocide that is occurring right now, being imposed by Israel on a population that official members of the Israeli government have expressed as undesirable, whom are living on a strip of land that already has Israeli developers planning beach front property for.
Make it look like something different than genocide justifying nationalism.
Genocide looks like a rapidly decreasing population, not a growing one. Supplies are still going into Gaza, yes fewer because Hamas is hoarding all of it and withholding it from its civilians. There are even videos of them opening fire on Palestinians that try to get to any of the supply trucks. There are also videos of Palestinians openly accusing Hamas of withholding all aid. I just wish Egypt would open up its border with Gaza to allow Palestinians refuge there but they never will again because of the Islam extremism they had to deal with when they did that. I haven’t heard that one yet - Israeli developers planning beach front property on Gaza. Nationalism? Israel is comprised of foreigners from all over the world, it’s like a mini US. Not all Israelis are white, not all Israelis are Jews, not all civilians are Israeli. We even took in 15,000 Ukrainian refugees. The “oh dear” was for attacking me directly with the “fuck off” and “genocide apologist”.
Nope, first sentence is such a blatant fucking copout. No one outside of Israel restricts genocide to a “decreasing population”. It’s the intent to destroy and steal land that matters
Zero acknowledgement of Israel’s decade long blockade of Gaza, it’s always someone else’s fault
There’s no blockade, any Gazan can leave whenever. Most of them come in to Israel for work. Or at least used to. Not sure how things will be after this shit show. The intent to destroy a nation and steal a land is Hamas’s goal, readily visible even on Wikipedia.
That’s because that is what you are, a fucking sick fuck genocidal, child murder justifying monster.
Why would Egypt open up their borders? Why would the Palestinians need refuge? Is some natural disaster happening to starve them to death? Some act of God? Are they just dying for some unknown reason?
You do know that Israel has effective control of the Raffa crossing, right? You know, the place all the blood thirsty fucks are holding a rave to block the aid trucks from going through while the Palestinians literally eat grass. The ones that haven’t starved to death, that is, because we’ve seen the first deaths from starvation hit this week.
Congrats, everyone in the world is going to start treating you like your dearly departed best friends, apartheid South Africa. Remember when everyone else was boycotting them but Israel? When Israel was still selling them weapons to use against their oppressed African population? I wonder how long it will be before we get music videos like this about Israel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dmoT9AfoI
You should have heard about the property developers. Haaretz broke the story.
The Gaza strip needed 2000 trucks a day to survive since Israel has implemented a complete blockade of the Gaza strip for 17 years. An aid truck or two doesn’t need to hoarded by Hamas to do anything. What’s the math on how many of the 2 million Hazan’s that can be fed from a truck or two? How big do you envision these trucks are?
But, I wouldn’t expect rational thought from a syphilitic fuck that espouses the same argument that Neo-Nazis use to justify their Holocaust denial. That whole ‘population increased’ pus oozing from your pustulant lips? Yeah, that’s from Holocaust deniers. Do you think the population has increased in Gaza since Israel cut off the food and water and started indiscriminately bombing civilian infrastructure and tent camps in Gaza? Do you actually believe that? If so, I’ve got some land to sell you, and I totally own it legally, totally. You might want to send some ‘settlers’ there with some military backup to murder the people currently living there first, though.
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Every time I have a conversation with a pro-Palestinian or especially pro-Hamas person, they always end up losing their cool and attacking me. Just like in most pro-Palestine protests, people get violent and attack random Jews on the street or a Starbucks for some reason (there isn’t even Starbucks in Israel). The pro-Israel marches I’ve seen are just people singing the anthem or something. It’s pretty reflective of the entire situation, Israelis aren’t very interested in war, there’s nothing in the Gaza Strip that we need, no resources, no landmarks of interest, just more desert like the rest of our country. But Arabs and Muslims from all around our tiny strip of land simply hate us on a religious basis and want to see us gone. And we’ve no place to go. We won’t just lie down and die. Sorry.
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This is more and more feeling like they are trying to push the limits of international tensions to start a regional war at least.
Nuke Israel - they keep starting shit so end their country
Israeli warmongers: Hamas and Hezbollah both start with H.
Or maybe they forgot Gaza is in the southwest, not in the north.
Or maybe, just maybe, the Lebanese forgot to condemn Hamas.
If you didn’t need a reminder that this was never about the hostages.
It’s also a distraction so that they can continue to oppress Palestinians in the West Bank and in Israel.
How is it a distraction? Everyone is still talking about both things and giving their random uninformed opinions.
What? Hamas and Hezbollah are both attacking Israel what is your point?
Didn’t Israel start by bombing Lebanon
weeksmonths ago?Edit: months, not weeks: Israel bombed southern Lebanon on October 13.
Do you think they bombed Lebanon out of nowhere? Or was it a response to a certain wave of attacks which displaced the entire northern Israeli population?
Given Israel’s history of warmongering in Lebanon, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was unprovoked.
It was not unprovoked. Hezbollah joined Hamas’s attack from Oct 7
Citation needed.
Nassrallah said several times that they’ve begun doing this in support of Hamas.
And the recent attack by Israel is a response to Hizballah’s attack on Safed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)
Hostages also start with H
And they killed the hostages thinking they were Palestinian civilians.
They thought they were Hamas terrorists, not Palestinian civilians. Because Hamas often times disguise themselves as civilians in order to attack. Including when conducting stabbing or car ramming attacks within Israel against Israeli civilians.
Yeah those 15,000 children the IDF murdered were all completely indiscernable from adults. Couldn’t have been avoided.
Didn’t you hear, Hamas rides single file to hide their numbers
That’s not what I was talking about and I do not easily dismiss the civilian casualties on either side. I would advise not taking the statistics that Hamas puts out at face value. We can talk about the number of casualties on both sides once the war is over, the dust settles and an accurate count can be made, preferably by an independent reliable source, not Hamas and probably not the IDF. It took Israel months to identify all the victims of October 7 and revised their total death count from about 1400 to 1200. In addition, it is an extremely densely populated region engaged in urban warfare against a terrorist military group (Hamas) that follows no rules whatsoever.
Hamas is a reliable source because Hamas is not a terrorist organization.
The militant wing of Hamas uses terrorist tactics. Hamas is the government of the Gaza strip. As is everyone who works for them. But the militant wing is very separate from the governmental wing. This allows the Israels to claim they killed a Hamas member and people thing they’ve killed a militant, when in reality they just murdered a garbage collector, or census taker.
The garbage collector? Hamas.
The doctors that aren’t MSF? Hamas.
The pencil pushing hospital administrator? Hamas.
Finally, since you’re a child-murder denying Israel fanatic, who should we believe? Israel’s numbers? They’re HIGHER! They just claim every child killed is Hamas.
The Gaza Health ministry knows their numbers will always be questioned, so they only release numbers for people proven to be dead.
People buried under rubble from Israels indiscriminate bombing campaign? Not counted.
Wow. I’m out
Look everyone, once we’ve finished ethnic cleansing the Palestinian people and expelled almost all of them from their homeland or killed them, then we can talk about it. Maybe we’ll even make a sad movie or a scholarship or something, like the Americans do with the Native Americans. Until then, no one is allowed to criticize us. Because it’s antisemitic, and also every single Palestinian is Hamas and Hamas deserves to die. Therefore…
You are fully allowed to talk about it and criticize us, I was just suggesting not trusting stats from a terror organization. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas does deserve to die.
Someone drank a Big Gulp sized cup of Israeli propaganda Kool-Aid.
That argument provides “justification” to kill any civilian.
Your words not mine.
Are you fine with allowing them to set the bar that low though?
No. And look, to be honest I never understood why some people claim that Israel is purposefully targeting civilians. They are not, and the mortality rate of terrorist/civilians is some of the best if not the best in any modern urban war anywhere. Hamas just reports every death as civilian, and men of ages up to 21 as children. Not saying there have been no actual civilians, children and women killed in Gaza, but there is a clear intent to minimize innocent casualties, at least where I’m observing things from.
Also, a few days ago the IDF rescued 2 hostages for the first time, I hope that made international news.
More like Hamastages.
Don’t forget Hospitals, they very clearly start with the letter Hamas too
