You are fully allowed to talk about it and criticize us, I was just suggesting not trusting stats from a terror organization. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas does deserve to die.
Not in America you’re not. You get called antisemitic. You have to sign loyalty pledges to say you don’t believe in BDS. You lose your job or get your university clubs disbanded. Although at least you don’t get arrested like saying that stuff in Israel.
And the stats from Israel can be trusted? Your government lies their ass off every chance they get. Then they kill all the UN people who enter or the journalists and use the fog of war as an excuse to genocide everyone since no one can get any information from the ground. We’re lucky people have cell phones now so we can see all the atrocities with own eyes, send that some journalists are brave enough to stay despite their family and coworkers dying.
And you guys don’t care that not all Palestinians are Hamas since you can still use the excuse that there’s a Hamas hiding behind every one of them to kill them all. That doesn’t give you the moral high ground. Even the US didn’t kill that many civilians in our last few wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, but I guess we weren’t trying to do another settler colonialism there, so we had the advantage of not trying to ethnic cleanse the local population off the land.
That’s my point. It’s not a war. It’s a slaughter. Israel is trying to make it seem like a war but when you compare the number of casualties, it’s very clearly one-sided. The side with a big military and the most advanced weapon technology vs some terrorists and civilians, no wonder.
And approaching it like a war doesn’t work, you’re just going to get more terrorists (unless the Israeli plan is actually full on genocide). The US figured that out the hard way already after 9/11,too, so I’m not saying they’re that much better or anything. You have to let people be free and then negotiate with them. No oppressed people are ever happy to stay that way. You have to fight them forever. And while that was clearly the Israel plan up to now, it seems you don’t accept the risks of a 10/7 happening every now and then. It’s a natural consequence, like the occasional slave revolt in the US pre-civil war.
That leaves two options. Israel can allow Palestinian sovereignty and equal human rights, without having the removal of Hamas as a precondition. Work together to take them out after removing normal Palestinians as an enemy by granting freedom, human rights, allowing supplies in, stop expanding in the West Bank, allow some right to return andetc. Working together as allies instead of as an occupier (the UK approach with the IRA or the South African approach). Or alternatively, full on genocide (the approach in North America and Australia), which a lot of people don’t agree with for what should be an obvious reason. Because bombing Hamas to death doesn’t work, you’re just making more terrorists, and have been since the main Zionist plan became the revisionist one of kicking people out their homes and taking their land. Either they know that and are happy with an endless war at the cost of innocent lives, or they’re planning on genocide or ethnic cleansing, or they’re naive.
You are fully allowed to talk about it and criticize us, I was just suggesting not trusting stats from a terror organization. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas does deserve to die.
Not in America you’re not. You get called antisemitic. You have to sign loyalty pledges to say you don’t believe in BDS. You lose your job or get your university clubs disbanded. Although at least you don’t get arrested like saying that stuff in Israel.
And the stats from Israel can be trusted? Your government lies their ass off every chance they get. Then they kill all the UN people who enter or the journalists and use the fog of war as an excuse to genocide everyone since no one can get any information from the ground. We’re lucky people have cell phones now so we can see all the atrocities with own eyes, send that some journalists are brave enough to stay despite their family and coworkers dying.
And you guys don’t care that not all Palestinians are Hamas since you can still use the excuse that there’s a Hamas hiding behind every one of them to kill them all. That doesn’t give you the moral high ground. Even the US didn’t kill that many civilians in our last few wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, but I guess we weren’t trying to do another settler colonialism there, so we had the advantage of not trying to ethnic cleanse the local population off the land.
Yep. Ok. America is the best at war. Good luck to you.
That’s my point. It’s not a war. It’s a slaughter. Israel is trying to make it seem like a war but when you compare the number of casualties, it’s very clearly one-sided. The side with a big military and the most advanced weapon technology vs some terrorists and civilians, no wonder.
And approaching it like a war doesn’t work, you’re just going to get more terrorists (unless the Israeli plan is actually full on genocide). The US figured that out the hard way already after 9/11,too, so I’m not saying they’re that much better or anything. You have to let people be free and then negotiate with them. No oppressed people are ever happy to stay that way. You have to fight them forever. And while that was clearly the Israel plan up to now, it seems you don’t accept the risks of a 10/7 happening every now and then. It’s a natural consequence, like the occasional slave revolt in the US pre-civil war.
That leaves two options. Israel can allow Palestinian sovereignty and equal human rights, without having the removal of Hamas as a precondition. Work together to take them out after removing normal Palestinians as an enemy by granting freedom, human rights, allowing supplies in, stop expanding in the West Bank, allow some right to return andetc. Working together as allies instead of as an occupier (the UK approach with the IRA or the South African approach). Or alternatively, full on genocide (the approach in North America and Australia), which a lot of people don’t agree with for what should be an obvious reason. Because bombing Hamas to death doesn’t work, you’re just making more terrorists, and have been since the main Zionist plan became the revisionist one of kicking people out their homes and taking their land. Either they know that and are happy with an endless war at the cost of innocent lives, or they’re planning on genocide or ethnic cleansing, or they’re naive.