empties one full magazine on the car, not a single hit Would you like to enlist in the imperial army?
Dude should have applied to be a Stormtrooper. Would have fit right in, got to wear a snazzy set of white armor, black little pew-pew laser rifle, the works.
and he can create all the drama he wants and no one will say a thing “The rebel scums were shooting at me!”
If you’re that scared you have no business being a cop. What a fucking idiot thinks he got shot too.
This is what happens when you spend your life fantasizing about how you’re a hero under constant attack.
To any who might doubt this: this us-vs-them hostile attitude against the public at large is exactly how they train members.
It even exists within Canada’s RCMP, FFS.
It’s literally what the “thin blue line” represents which all the police has swapped in place of “protect & serve”. And that’s ignoring the racist undertones.
Those were sweet rolls, though.
LOL it reminded me of those people who dress up in mismatched tactical gear.
Tbf The acorn sounded like a bag of Skittles
Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at
In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.
Funny again…
While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.
Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.
Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.
He also yelled “I’m hit” while unloading on his own vehicle.
Same as when they think they’re doing on fentanyl…
After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.
Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.
Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.
Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop
These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.
If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.
Just so we’re clear, those cops were tested after that ordeal and had absolutely zero fentanyl in their system.
And the tingling he felt was just piss running down his leg.
good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won’t lie for officers doing questionable things.
“It hit my vest” and “I feel weird”. Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don’t miss it.
Even if he wasn’t trying to kill Marquis Jackson, he clearly didn’t care if he killed him.
You don’t mag dump like that if you don’t care. He very much was trying to kill him.
You do if you’re an idiot and a coward.
Would just be an idiot and a coward trying to kill a man.
I am not saying he definitely wasn’t trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I’m saying that the other possibility is that he’s a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he’s terrified and doesn’t think about and/or care that there’s a person in his car.
Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That’s definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn’t murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.
Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.
The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it’ll be up to the prosecutor (which I’m sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.
Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.
Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.
IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.
As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it’s been a long time since I read all those details and I really don’t want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.
I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut… No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem
See I’m like, I don’t even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn’t really a punishment. If he’s discharging his firearm into his own car, he’s obviously just unfit to be an officer and that’s a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a “punishment”, but that’s also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we’ve always had, so, you know, I’m like. I dunno. That doesn’t seem like a clear “win”, to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he’s mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.
You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it’s not usually a helpful system.
Yeah. The “having PTSD” part isn’t what should be punished, it’s the “and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this” part that’s egregious.
Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.
Fuck that.
I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.
Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he’s ever fired on duty and he’s just a coward who panicked.
One commenter added some critical context to the story:
I actually just read about this, early today. I think two things were involved here, neither of which were mentioned in this article:
The officer served (2) tours overseas. Seeing the lasting affects a tour in Afghanistan has had on a relative, I believe this officer has undiagnosed PTSD which impacted his reaction here.
The officers had reason to believe Jackson owned/possessed a firearm with a suppressor. The sound of a suppressed 9mm isn’t terribly dissimilar from an acorn falling on sheet metal.
Doesn’t matter if it was a perfect replay of an exact recording of the weapon they expected to be facing. He emptied a clip into an unknown target with no visual confirmation.
PTSD will do that. Not an excuse, but a possible explanation.
A pistol with a suppressor on it is still loud as fuck though. You would have been able to hear it in the cam footage. Also, these are the kinds of situations that happen when you get soldiers trained to kill to come back and play police duty with civilians. Its inexcusable, even if he does have PTSD.
Fact is that guns with silencers are still really loud with silencers, correct. Not like in the movies… with normal ammunition. In that case, the sonic boom is what you hear. But with subsonic ammunition and a slightly larger silencer it is really very quiet and can sound like in the video or in movies almost. It’s hard to find on youtube because very few people want to shoot with such weak cartridges + with a silencer additionally, but if you’re really interested you can find it. If I remember after work I can look for another demonstration and post it here. if you are interested.
https://youtube.com/shorts/_1GRjRH9tKA? https://youtu.be/9c36ujvK9bs? basically just the mechanical parts that are audible. still not like the movies but pretty close. In person i felt like it’s actually less loud than in these vids depending on the gun.
They patted the suspect before cuffing and putting him in the car.
So it’s a story about the absolute state of mental healthcare in the US after all.
Especially for veterans.
It’s more than the Uvalde cops did at least
Firing indiscriminately at an area without a clear sight of the suspect?
Can we please stop pretending Twitter is a video hosting platform? It’s not, the links never work. When you only include Twitter video in the article it’s like not including the video at all.
I mean it’s a website that hosts videos as part of the services it offers. And the video loads fine on mobile and desktop. I would check your network or browser settings. Unless it’s hosted by the actual article writer, hosting it somewhere is basically another social media.
Fire that cop and give the acorn a badge.
If US police is this incompetent, the only real solution is to take their guns away. It works in the UK.
And yes, there are more guns in general in the US, but that means that the police needs to be BETTER at deescalation than in the UK, not worse.
(Also: Obviously there are exceptions for specialized units in the UK, and the same would have to happen in the US, but your standard run-of-the-mill cop really doesn’t need more than pepper-spray and a stick.)
Take their guns away and give them acorns.
How about we also give them actual training? You know, basic 4 year training like in Europe, to become basic police officer, additional training to become more, and not the “6 months and here is your gun” as they do in the US?
Imo this is a key problem with police in the US. You’re meant to take something like this video, analyse it, grow from it and provide a better procedure/training in what to do in that sort of situation so that it is more safe for both police and the public in the future.
Instead you get “police tried to stop a robber by shooting into a crowded street, two civilians were killed and the robber only has slight injuries”. And the police response is “oh we have qualified immunity, this is actually whats meant to happen, we stopped the robber didn’t we etc etc etc” and nothing is learnt.
If you look into this story a little further, it turns out that there are a few things to consider.
One, this is actually the result of training. The man served two tours overseas, this is quite literally what he’s trained to do. Do you have any idea what a gunshot sounds like from far away? Because it’s not exactly a clear sound, and there are a shitload of different bullets (and gun barrels, compensators, silencers, sub sonic ammunition as an even further layer) to make different noise. When you’re used to being shot at from far away, yeah a sound like this actually does sound like you’re being shot at. I could also easily see someone mistaking it for a bullet landing near them.
He also describes experiencing a tingly sensation and thinking something was wrong with his left(? going from memory, lazy) side. It very much sounds like he had a PTSD attack.
Lastly, he resigned during the course of the investigation into the shooting. Not to mention, the investigation into him concluded that no he should not have unloaded his firearm after hearing an acorn hit the car.
Should he be a cop? Fuck no! He likely has undiagnosed PTSD and should be getting help, not putting himself into circumstances where he is much more likely to be shot at.
However this is not the result of incompetence. This man is a military veteran. He will likely be more proficient with firearms than you or I ever will be. You need to stop thinking of cops as pigs in tight bullet proof vests. This guy, and there are absolutely others like him, is not at all untrained.
He may have PTSD and he may have had 1,000 hours of firearms training, but if you empty your magazine the way he did, under the circumstances he did, you’re incompetent to be a police officer. Period.
And even he apparently recognizes that since he resigned (though whether he’ll just go get hired the next town over is probably a decent bet).
I’ll preface this saying that I own firearms and I spent 11 years in the military, I’ve had people shoot in my general direction, but I’ve bever been in a firefight.
Police and military operate in different environments that require different skillsets and different training. People expect, incorrectly, that police are there to protect citizens (this isn’t a rant about them protecting only the owner class…the judicial branch has upheld that police had no duty to protect). IF they had a duty to protect, they wouldn’t be allowed to open fire without a target in site and awareness of what was beyond that target and endangered when they miss that target.
Hearing a gunshot is not a valid excuse for randomly discharging your weapon.
I’m glad nobody was hurt, and I really hope the VA or some other organization is able to help this guy recover from his combat trauma. The department that hired him should have done better, and I hope they revisit their candidate screening policy…
This is the result of having minimal training and not having enough training to be competent.
His description of legs feeling weak and tingly are that of an adrenaline dump.
i.e officer has been trained in handling firearms but not “stress innoculated” he’s not been trained to respond properly in a stressful situation.
His firearm handling is also below an acceptable standard. He emptied his mag without so much as landing a single hit on the car and when he goes to reload fumbles numerous times, isn’t sure if he wants to reload or find cover and does both badly.
I mean fuck cops for sure but UKs gun laws are extremely strict for civilians I think you can only have antiques, even. In america there is guns everywhere. That kid you’re frisking and giving a hard time could have daddy’s pistol in his backpack. Its just a different environment in us
Perhaps you shouldn’t be giving him a hard time then? Perhaps you should politely ask to check him.
Every single time I’ve ever watched US cops deal with the situation they always seem to escalate it they get their guns out and start yelling immediately. I’ve seen situations where the suspect is being entirely cooperative and they’re still yelling. What are they trying to prove at that point?
Shut the hell up, calm down, and actually evaluate the situation.
Dude I hate cops with a burning passion but yeah for sure you should just go into North St Louis or Southside Chicago and just be real nice to everyone. That’s gonna work.
What you’re asking for requires intelligence, which is actively selected against by most police departments in the US.
Why did he say “I’m hit”
Cops are trained to say that before shooting as a psychological trick to manipulate witnesses. Your brain doesn’t perfectly record the order of events in a situation like that, so to make sense of things you’re likely to misremember one or more of the gunshots being before the “I’m hit” rather than correctly remember that the cop shot first.
“It’s coming right for us!” -South Park hunting episode
Reading the article is hard.
… felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.
My bad, just watched the vid on another thread and was asking here
Because he’s a hysterical fucking moron who believes himself to be some for of hero warrior.
He probably got it from South Park with the “its coming this way” defense for hunting out of season
THE ACORNS ARE COMIN’ RIGHT FER US!
This is Chewbacca, Chewbacca is a wookie…
but is a wookie a bear ?
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Sunshine laws…shit happens everywhere, Florida just isn’t embarrassed enough to keep it private.
Sorry folks… I dropped something.
My bad.
Every story such as this contains at least one police lie. Even this one.
In his statement, Sheriff Aden said that the department was “limited in further response due to pending litigation.” Motherboard could not find court records related to the incident online and reached out to the Okaloosa County Courthouse, which confirmed it did not have any recent records related to either party. Motherboard reached out to the Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office for clarification but has not received a response.
They are pieces of shit like that. That’s part of why you don’t ever talk to them without a lawyer
What a very composed and calm individual that is perfectly suited for a job as a public servant.
If a random loud bang from an acorn falling nearby is enough to get someone to behave like this, they really should not be walking around with a gun. This is completely insane and unhinged behavior.
theres no reason for most officers to be lethally armed their entire shift.
they are trained the exact opposite; be afraid of everything and empty the clip. ask questions later.
this cop behaved as he was trained
From other accounts, he had arrested a suspect, handcuffed and searched them, and put them in the back of the squad car, and apparently thought that the suspect–the one they’d searched, cuffed, and locked in the car–was shooting at him. So, in his mind, he was returning fire.
I gotta ask - did he hit the guy in the car? Did he even his his car? Where did the bullets all end up? When you start shooting in public, you’re supposed to be responsible for each on of those pieces of lead.
The guy in the car was not hit, but mentally fucked up, according to a better news article I just found on Reddit a few minutes ago.
Both officers riddled the cop car with bullets at the front and back of the car. None hit the guy at the back seat of the car who immediately ducked on the floor.
Saw a comment somewhere else that the guy in the police cruiser somehow didn’t get any bullets in him.
Ahh, so this cop is a storm trooper. That tracks.
Wait did you shoot at his own car? That’s amazing.
Everyone, stop what you are doing and check your local police department for this guy.
During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.
He is out there somewhere, getting scared and shooting at his own car.
Yeah. Both he and his partner opened fire without a clear sight of a target.
The article said where he was firing, into his cars engine block. It does not mention where his partner, who was in the car, was aiming at.
I presume, the handcuffed person in the car was traumatized, but physically fine.
The cop was firing at the back of the car. His partner was interviewing the girlfriend of the suspect when she heard the shout of shots fired. She asked from where and the cop said from the car, she opened fire at the front of the car.
It’s easy to shit on cops but I hope the guy is okay. It kinda sounded like he resigned after self-realizing how this is not an okay situation. He’s probably been in a handful of fucked up situations to be triggered like that tbh.
Either that or he’s actually retarded.
Why do you assume there’s trauma? He’s just reactingly exactly how he has been trained to react.
You don’t empty a whole clip like a schizo after hearing one shot lol. I think the protocol would have been to call back up or “I heard shots fired on main Street”
You’re right, it’s a bat shit insane response, but cops in the U.S. are trained to be afraid and react without thinking on a hair trigger. His reaction is unfortunately way too normalized.
