The US created Israel and now we fund them and their genocide endlessly, but AIPAC money also permeates US politics. It’s a wild web of bullshit. Idk how any of that is antisemitic though. The only part I see as antisemitic was when the US and Britain didn’t want to take the Jewish diaspora themselves.
Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.
It plays into the trope of Jews control everything. It handwaves every blatantly obvious reality about the relationship between the US and Isreal and says “Yup that colonial apendage is the real master of the US, because Jews.”
Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.
Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic? Seems like both white-supremacists (who want to see an evil jewish cabal controlling everything), and Israel (who want their state to be equated with judaism), agree on that equation, even though they’re on opposite sides.
Isreal hides behind all of semitism as a human shield, so it makes sense that of the criticisms they label antisemitic (all of them) that some of them actually would be. It’s understandable (not good or tolerable but also not an anomaly) that given the hideously complicated level of intertwining machinery between our two occupation governments, someone without a materialist grounding in the subject could come to confuse who controls who, especially someone who’s grown up marinating in casually fascist explanations for the state of the world like most of us did
I just realized that it kind of sounds like I was implying you don’t know materialism so I wanna clarify that I’m talking about a hypothetical rando, I know you’re Dessalines lmao
Exactly. Im a stickler on this point because I’ve had to go through conversations with left leaning jewish friends who still have some lingering brainworms. It matters to understand what is actual antisemitism. The zionist will not act in good faith - so it’s even more important for us to understand the difference
Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic?
No. What I’m saying is that specifically believing the US is controlled by Isreal - that the US is subordinate to Isreal - that is an antisemitic belief (on top of being ridiculous). That’s not an isreali talking point. Believing that is not helping combat zionism - it helps it.
I’m anti-zionist. That’s why its very important to me to point out this antisemitic belief because its detrimental to the cause of anti-zionism.
That makes sense. Its a very weird thing to think anyway, that the most powerful country in history is somehow controlled by a vassal state they helped create, and who’s only able to continue existing due to US support.
Yep, it’s a hand-washing of the US’s role in Zionism. The consequence of this line of thinking is that the US is merely being used, it sides with the Imperialist Hegemon against its vassal, excusing Imperalism.
It’s the anti-Zionist Liberal interpretation, excusing the Empire for the deeds its Vassal commits.
The US created Israel and now we fund them and their genocide endlessly, but AIPAC money also permeates US politics. It’s a wild web of bullshit. Idk how any of that is antisemitic though. The only part I see as antisemitic was when the US and Britain didn’t want to take the Jewish diaspora themselves.
Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.
It plays into the trope of Jews control everything. It handwaves every blatantly obvious reality about the relationship between the US and Isreal and says “Yup that colonial apendage is the real master of the US, because Jews.”
Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic? Seems like both white-supremacists (who want to see an evil jewish cabal controlling everything), and Israel (who want their state to be equated with judaism), agree on that equation, even though they’re on opposite sides.
Isreal hides behind all of semitism as a human shield, so it makes sense that of the criticisms they label antisemitic (all of them) that some of them actually would be. It’s understandable (not good or tolerable but also not an anomaly) that given the hideously complicated level of intertwining machinery between our two occupation governments, someone without a materialist grounding in the subject could come to confuse who controls who, especially someone who’s grown up marinating in casually fascist explanations for the state of the world like most of us did
I just realized that it kind of sounds like I was implying you don’t know materialism so I wanna clarify that I’m talking about a hypothetical rando, I know you’re Dessalines lmao
Exactly. Im a stickler on this point because I’ve had to go through conversations with left leaning jewish friends who still have some lingering brainworms. It matters to understand what is actual antisemitism. The zionist will not act in good faith - so it’s even more important for us to understand the difference
No. What I’m saying is that specifically believing the US is controlled by Isreal - that the US is subordinate to Isreal - that is an antisemitic belief (on top of being ridiculous). That’s not an isreali talking point. Believing that is not helping combat zionism - it helps it.
I’m anti-zionist. That’s why its very important to me to point out this antisemitic belief because its detrimental to the cause of anti-zionism.
That makes sense. Its a very weird thing to think anyway, that the most powerful country in history is somehow controlled by a vassal state they helped create, and who’s only able to continue existing due to US support.
Yep, it’s a hand-washing of the US’s role in Zionism. The consequence of this line of thinking is that the US is merely being used, it sides with the Imperialist Hegemon against its vassal, excusing Imperalism.
It’s the anti-Zionist Liberal interpretation, excusing the Empire for the deeds its Vassal commits.
Nailed it. They need to excuse the US and they get to do it in a racist way. Liberal win-win
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