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    We have committed more genocide

    by what metric?

    total number of genocides participated in, maybe…?

    but the state isn’t building death camps, and if you compare the death toll in Palestine to those in Nazi Germany it’s a stark difference

    exploiting workers to death for economic benefit is very objectionably inexcusable, but by definition not genocide, and by attempting to reposition it as such you’re lessening the definition of genocide rather than helping the plight of those abused by capitalism

    yes, i think allowing the machine of capitalism to churn through lives incidentally is at least marginally better than building a machine specifically designed to churn through as many lives as possible in as short a window as possible

    very obviously neither should be happening at all, and the fact either is is frankly disgusting, but you were the one who decided to directly compare them

    and are currently more fascistic than Nazi Germany.

    again, the fact you’re able to type this is proof that it’s false

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        And you are denying the genocide that’ll happen to those indigenous you propose are going to somehow take over the country.

        1. The military. There is at least one greedy general out there that’ll attack with our trillions worth of weapons research.
        2. The nature of the indigenous communities. Okay, so you’re giving them to “the Native Americans”. I’m assuming that means all of them? Look at this infograph. They occupy less than 10% of USA’s land and are spread out incredibly sparsely. If you just give it to one of them, well, that actually would solve a problem. But which one will you give it to? Is the Fox nation racially superior to the Sioux nation? If you give it to all them, they will have to effectively communicate, which is undercut by
        3. The nature of the indigenous communities. Quite a bit of these communities have been recognized by the government as wards of the state and have been isolated by mutual consent. Now you’re gonna entrust someone to hand them modern communications, weapons, tools, etc and not use these technologies to take power away from the indigenous instead. How exactly do you propose a power transfer to happen?
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          OK so what is your problem with returning the land and power to indigenous groups? You surely don’t support the United States of America with its history of genocide, slavery, imperialism, and colonialism? Surely you would celebrate the downfall of a state worse than that of Nazi Germany whose most progressive leader (by its own adminission) is a genocide-supporter and border fascist. fascist.

          Surely the Indigenous groups wouldn’t be worse than the blue or red ghouls?

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            oh no it’s time for circles

            what’s your plan for returning power to indigenous people without involving a group that’s currently in power (and therefore predominantly white, since racism exists), without having right wing populists use the power vacuum to seize control?

            again, a group of people that’s been oppressed to the degree native americans have is not in a position to govern a nation like america

            do you deny the oppression that native americans have faced?

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                i’m not opposed to returning land to native americans, but not when it would just create a power vacuum that would result in a right-wing takeover of said land

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                    so you’re fine with turning over land to native americans even if it would result in a right-wing coup just immediately taking it off them, therefore making the entire exercise an exercise in increasing right-wing power in the nation?

                    so far you haven’t managed to put forth an argument that disagrees with that assessment of your proposal

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        Native Americans

        Latinx immigrants

        Palestinians

        Sudanese

        Jewish people

        Working class people

        Asian people

        Many Central and South American groups

        You are being ignorant by asking “by what metric” for a nation founded on genocide

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          Jewish people

          you’re comparing the us’s genocide to nazi germany and jewish people were the ones you chose to bring up?

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              oh no it’s time for circles

              please qualify what you mean by “objectively worse than nazi germany”

              thank you

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                We have exterminated more people and we continue to discriminate against more marginalized groups. (E.g., 70% of Americans believe there is a “border crisis” and support the Palestinian genocide)

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                  We have exterminated more people

                  the numbers don’t back this up

                  continue to discriminate against more marginalized groups

                  “nazi germany was so bad it doesn’t exist anymore so they can’t continue to discriminate” isn’t a very good argument