Mainly because, at least as far as I’ve seen, solarpunk societies requires “taking responsibility for your survival into your own hands” which I am mentally incapable of doing, and not from lazyness or lack of effort. Trust me, if I could hold a job I wouldn’t be able to afford to not be working right now. I might have a mild form of oppositional defiant disorder or a bad case of PTSD, but when someone is a jerk to me I take it personally and hold grudges, making working with people who give me orders or take orders from me essentially like ordering a cat to herd sheep.
I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree, I think solarpunk societies are focused on community and not on “taking responsibility for your survival into your own hands”. That view is for people trying to run away from others. Generally solarpunk is just for people who want to build a more environmentally conscious society, not one that abandons people. In your case specifically, I think a solarpunk society would actually benefit you greatly.
Mainly my issue is that I am simply not interested in nature and solarpunk works I’ve personally viewed have - at least by chance - been extremely anti-urbanist and anti-disability the first three times.
I have no issue with the environment being protected, only with valuing it at the expense of someone whose only place to be themselves used to be online. That isn’t even a “me” thing, it’s a “this work doesn’t necessarily need a token disabled person, but you should design it so that disabled people will still be just as if not more able to function without being forced to make social connections IRL or on centralized social media or even (for now) federated social media” thing. The reason disabled people fantasize about VR worlds with superpowers is because if we had that power but were still ourselves, we’d feel like equals rather than “superior” because we’d have something people value us for.
I think the fediverse is a mistake. I shouldn’t be here. You might think that just because I prefer FOSS that I would promote it, but it’s been almost a year and Lemmy/etc. are a bigger cesspool than reddit. Maybe Web³ is right, as far as VR is concerned. People who do hate reality are on whatever fledgeling metaverse platform they’re on because the fediverse will never be like golden age reddit. We finished the Web in 2D and it’s a corporate shithole. Time to move to a greener pasture…
Reading this, I think most of the disparity in our views comes from where our view of solarpunk comes from as well as opinion toward nature. I have never engaged with any solarpunk works simply cause I never thought of them as relevant to the overall concept, I’ve only ever engaged with people.
And people as far as I am aware are in a sense anti-urbanist but not anti-cities, mostly just car infrastructure and other urban-specific environmentally hostile additions. In particular many of these individuals actually care a great deal about accessibility and are with greater frequency than other groups I’ve seen disabled themselves. I usually prefer to actually talk to people rather than refer to works unless those individuals specifically refer me to those works as representative. Otherwise you’re being unfair.
Also could you give examples of those works being anti-accessibility? It may be worth bringing up accessibility in this lemmy community in a separate post. Also can’t say I agree with the fediverse take, this place has been nothing but nice to me.
The issue is mostly the type of disability. You have to realize mental disability is not visible unless you know what to look for and even then you’re dealing with some strange and often self-hated traits. So while physical disability is accounted for, mental illness and especially mental trauma (abandonment issues, PTSD in my case) are simply not even recognized as existing.
In most solarpunk I’ve seen, the issue of permanent differences in how a person functions is simply never addressed, and it feels like a gentrification of the problem. “Maybe we should push the mentally-handicapped somewhere else!”
It hurts even more when you get the handicap after you’re born. Most mental issues are genetic and so they have no reference point. I didn’t ask to be fucking beaten by a foster father who smoked in the house and refused to be questioned. I didn’t ask or deserve to be stolen from my family by corrupt government officials. I didn’t ask to be beaten by a bully so hard that he went to juvie for it and I was bedridden for a month. If you want to improve life, do it for people who have less than you without lowering anyone’s standard of living. Otherwise you’re asking for a world I cannot live in because I am a permanently-scarred psyche and I cannot support myself nor function in a community.
Don’t get me wrong, inclusivity is bullshit. I only ask for a future I can rely on machines in, not one in which I would be doomed to die. I can see how being exposed to solarpunk via people first might make that something you didn’t expect at least.
Damn, I’m sorry all that happened to you, I wish you the best in your life going forward. And I do have to say I don’t think anyone who is into solarpunk thinks those with mental disability should just be pushed aside and discarded. That would be almost antithetical to a concept so focused on improving the human condition.
That said, I could see where an emphasis on nature more in the goals could lead to people suggesting they want to take away the things you hold dear. However, I don’t think that’s the majority opinion of people into solarpunk nor do I believe you would be unable rely on machines in a solarpunk society. The whole goal of solarpunk is environmentally conscious technology not no technology. In fact I think most solarpunks would love a future that has the technology you would want. In other words I think your goals are in alignment if not complete agreement.
Mainly because, at least as far as I’ve seen, solarpunk societies requires “taking responsibility for your survival into your own hands” which I am mentally incapable of doing, and not from lazyness or lack of effort. Trust me, if I could hold a job I wouldn’t be able to afford to not be working right now. I might have a mild form of oppositional defiant disorder or a bad case of PTSD, but when someone is a jerk to me I take it personally and hold grudges, making working with people who give me orders or take orders from me essentially like ordering a cat to herd sheep.
I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree, I think solarpunk societies are focused on community and not on “taking responsibility for your survival into your own hands”. That view is for people trying to run away from others. Generally solarpunk is just for people who want to build a more environmentally conscious society, not one that abandons people. In your case specifically, I think a solarpunk society would actually benefit you greatly.
Mainly my issue is that I am simply not interested in nature and solarpunk works I’ve personally viewed have - at least by chance - been extremely anti-urbanist and anti-disability the first three times.
I have no issue with the environment being protected, only with valuing it at the expense of someone whose only place to be themselves used to be online. That isn’t even a “me” thing, it’s a “this work doesn’t necessarily need a token disabled person, but you should design it so that disabled people will still be just as if not more able to function without being forced to make social connections IRL or on centralized social media or even (for now) federated social media” thing. The reason disabled people fantasize about VR worlds with superpowers is because if we had that power but were still ourselves, we’d feel like equals rather than “superior” because we’d have something people value us for.
I think the fediverse is a mistake. I shouldn’t be here. You might think that just because I prefer FOSS that I would promote it, but it’s been almost a year and Lemmy/etc. are a bigger cesspool than reddit. Maybe Web³ is right, as far as VR is concerned. People who do hate reality are on whatever fledgeling metaverse platform they’re on because the fediverse will never be like golden age reddit. We finished the Web in 2D and it’s a corporate shithole. Time to move to a greener pasture…
Reading this, I think most of the disparity in our views comes from where our view of solarpunk comes from as well as opinion toward nature. I have never engaged with any solarpunk works simply cause I never thought of them as relevant to the overall concept, I’ve only ever engaged with people.
And people as far as I am aware are in a sense anti-urbanist but not anti-cities, mostly just car infrastructure and other urban-specific environmentally hostile additions. In particular many of these individuals actually care a great deal about accessibility and are with greater frequency than other groups I’ve seen disabled themselves. I usually prefer to actually talk to people rather than refer to works unless those individuals specifically refer me to those works as representative. Otherwise you’re being unfair.
Also could you give examples of those works being anti-accessibility? It may be worth bringing up accessibility in this lemmy community in a separate post. Also can’t say I agree with the fediverse take, this place has been nothing but nice to me.
The issue is mostly the type of disability. You have to realize mental disability is not visible unless you know what to look for and even then you’re dealing with some strange and often self-hated traits. So while physical disability is accounted for, mental illness and especially mental trauma (abandonment issues, PTSD in my case) are simply not even recognized as existing.
In most solarpunk I’ve seen, the issue of permanent differences in how a person functions is simply never addressed, and it feels like a gentrification of the problem. “Maybe we should push the mentally-handicapped somewhere else!”
It hurts even more when you get the handicap after you’re born. Most mental issues are genetic and so they have no reference point. I didn’t ask to be fucking beaten by a foster father who smoked in the house and refused to be questioned. I didn’t ask or deserve to be stolen from my family by corrupt government officials. I didn’t ask to be beaten by a bully so hard that he went to juvie for it and I was bedridden for a month. If you want to improve life, do it for people who have less than you without lowering anyone’s standard of living. Otherwise you’re asking for a world I cannot live in because I am a permanently-scarred psyche and I cannot support myself nor function in a community.
Don’t get me wrong, inclusivity is bullshit. I only ask for a future I can rely on machines in, not one in which I would be doomed to die. I can see how being exposed to solarpunk via people first might make that something you didn’t expect at least.
Damn, I’m sorry all that happened to you, I wish you the best in your life going forward. And I do have to say I don’t think anyone who is into solarpunk thinks those with mental disability should just be pushed aside and discarded. That would be almost antithetical to a concept so focused on improving the human condition.
That said, I could see where an emphasis on nature more in the goals could lead to people suggesting they want to take away the things you hold dear. However, I don’t think that’s the majority opinion of people into solarpunk nor do I believe you would be unable rely on machines in a solarpunk society. The whole goal of solarpunk is environmentally conscious technology not no technology. In fact I think most solarpunks would love a future that has the technology you would want. In other words I think your goals are in alignment if not complete agreement.