I don’t really like Windows but it’s for my gaming PC. My laptop does run linux. I don’t know much of anything about 11 and whether it’s better or not.
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OP, thanks for being the sacrificial lamb here. Now I know never to ask a question about Windows if I don’t want to hear irrelevant opinions from Linux snobs. Sorry you didn’t get a lot of real answers.
Lemmy as a platform is built on FOSS. There are going to be Linux/FOSS advocates all over here.
I say this as primarily a windows admin who recently started diving into Linux.
The “real answer” is that Windows 10 is supported until October 2024. You have until then to make your decision or switch to an alternative because after that, W10 won’t be getting more updates and you risk running an unsecure system at that point.
There’s a difference between advocating for Linux in its own threads or where especially relevant (no problem!) and every Windows question getting answered with just “use Linux instead!” (aggravating and unhelpful).
I’ve certainly seen worse than this thread in this regard, however.
No, install linux
I upgraded 10 to 11 and really liked it. Problem with linux is all the commandline if you want to do advanced stuff.
Then i got a gpt-4 subscription and installed arch linux with hyperland. I aint looking back, everytime i use a windows system now it feels slow and prehistoric… sometimes though you get some weird problem you just don’t wanna deal with at the time and then its briefly booting into windows again.
For the problem thing, I use timeshift.
Hit a snag? Boot into a system state from a few weeks back and deal with it later.
The problem was the specialized software from samsung to sideload jellyfin on my tv not working properly but i second that timeshift is not a luxery on these kind of systems. If i only need windows now and then for sm specialized then thats ok, hope to move windows into just a vm soon.
I have to admit, I still have a windows partition, but I honestly haven’t booted into it for a full year now. The only thing I can think of needing it for, is firmware updates to my logitech peripherals, but that’s something I can live without.
There will always be something that will only work on windows, but that list is getting short enough now that the number of people it’s a problem for has begun to shrink, too.
Windows 11 is extremely spyware, even more so than previous windows versions.
Thats why you enable the telemetry thing in the motherboard for the installation only and prolly disable it afterwards :p no warning errors, no fuss. Works. Shows how shit it is that they require it.
Uhhhh what telemetry thing in the motherboard?
If you mean the TPM, that’s not for telemetry, it’s for security. It does still have some implications you might not enjoy though - IF you use bitlocker on Windows AND have TPM enabled, I believe you can’t move your drive to another device because it requires the original device’s TPM for decryption (and no, you can’t just swap out a TPM module either - it won’t be the considered the same device). That’s about all you need to fear from the TPM.
All the windows telemetry stuff is in Windows settings. And of course there’s some you can’t disable in windows settings either, but there’s scripts for stuff and you can run pihole and block every non-essential microsoft domain.
TPM isn’t for your security, it’s for Microsoft and Disney and other megacorps’ security against you
That’s a side effect of your device being more secure, yes. After all, the most secure device is a simple rock. Nobody can hack it and it can’t rip Marvel movies off Disney+.
To be clear, Microsoft doesn’t give a single fuck about you doing piracy, they actually need your device to be secure because otherwise you might switch to another OS for security. Disney and the like, however, will likely in the future require you to use a TPM2 device for advanced DRM.
Of course, if this is something you’re rightly worried about, the right course of action isn’t to install Windows and disable TPM (which also, as I said, does nothing for disabling Telemetry). It’s to install a Linux distro that’s hopefully not Ubuntu, because that’s way too commercial and not free enough.
Also, at the moment, the Linux desktop install base is small enough that any streaming service can just disable their services for Linux users altogether, TPM or not. So we do actually need to be voting with our OS installs and sooner rather than later.
What does it mean to be secure? Allowing a megacorp to mandate what you can and can’t do on your own hardware means that hardware is less secure, not more.
I’ve been running 11 since the first leak and haven’t looked back. I actually really dislike using 10 in comparison.
Windows 11 is supported longer and will receive patches for longer than Windows 10. In fact, I believe Windows 10 is only supported for a few more years. To ensure that you do not have an unpatched (therefore insecure) operating system on the internet, you will either migrate to a newer version of Windows or to a different operating system eventually.
That all being said, Windows 11 was commonly referred to as being faster than Windows 10 on the same hardware. The largest gripes are that Windows 11 has very strict system requirements (therefore not officially working on most computers) and that Windows 11 has a different user interface (taking away some things people like). Windows 10 or 11 are operating systems which basically need to be installed on an SSD so be sure to consider upgrading to that if you have not done so already.
I’m pretty sure that an upgrade to Windows 11 can be reverted and you can go back to Windows 10 if necessary. Still, I would back up any valuable data before experimenting.
On the Linux side of the world, Steam can be installed on Linux and devices such as the Steam Deck exist. Depending on what games you play on your gaming PC, Linux could be an option.
The differences between Windows 10 and Linux are greater than the differences between Windows 10 and Windows 11. In other words, Windows 11 may be a bit better or worse (depending on your opinion) but it isn’t majorly better or worse.
In short, no.
In detail, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I like windows 11 better than 10. The UI is better (besides the basic start menu all apps thing) but, I’m just about done with microsoft I think… For the same reason I left reddit, I don’t want to be a commodity. With all the telemetry that is undoubtedly being sent from my windows OS (even when disabling everything I can) it makes me uncomfortable (even with my pihole on my network)… Getting more and more comfortable with linux as a daily driver. For years, linux was always just those work computers I’ve dealt with but the more I want to get away from being a product. The more I realize linux is what I need.
Install Linux instead lmao
As long as you don’t mind the task bar being glued to the bottom of your screen, I think Windows 11 is a net improvement over 10. The new features in WSL are particularly cool.
imo if you have a compatible machine (& prefer the taskbar at the bottom of the screen), then yes. it’s essentially just 10 with some kernel/core updates & a new ui that’s much better.
prefer the taskbar at the bottom of the screen
This is 90% of the reason i haven’t upgraded to 11 yet. I want my taskbar vertically on the left damnit!
Honestly if you’re ok with a little tinkering you can use Linux for gaming nowadays.
I fully switched about a week ago using NixOS, so far it’s been pretty smooth sailing, and generally better performance than when it ran windows
Have run overwatch, diablo, modded Minecraft (with shaders) and a bunch of steam games so far.
Have yet to run epic games on it but I’ve heard it’s pretty seamless with a launcher called heroic (which imo works better than epic’s own one anyway)
Only games I’ve found that don’t work are because of deliberate effort on the devs’ part (Halo MCC, Roblox and dragon ball breakers)
Depending on the game tinkering may not be needed. With proton most of my games except like dead by daylight it was install and press play
Dead by Daylight is actually running now on linux after the devs chose to unblock linux in EAC.
Oh yeah absolutely the only tinkering I’ve really needed to do is make sure I installed steam properly (NixOS) and a little bit of jiggery pokery for battle.net games (though battle.net is actually really good, you just give it a path to the game files and away you go)
Thankfull y I don’t have to stress with tinkering on mint but I get the advantages nixos has
Never tried mint but weirdly enough NixOS has been the easiest distro for me so far, haven’t run into any weird bugs in drivers or my touchpad not working after hibernation etc like I have in Ubuntu based distros
(Other than the bugs I caused myself that is)
On a super recent Intel CPU with BIG.little architecture, I believe 11 has better scheduling. One day when games start to make use for it, 11 has DirectStorage and I believe 10 doesn’t?
If you have an ultrawide display, you might appreciate the start button in the middle.
And that’s about all the pros of Windows 11. Now for the cons: They’ve greatly dumbed down the context menu, so now you have to click the “more options” or whatever button nearly every time. Also it’s possible that they fixed it a already but when I tried 11 near launch, the context menu took about 2 seconds to appear. Zen 2 CPU, 32 GB of decent DDR4 and an NVMe boot drive so it should be snappy And it’s Windows. I right click on EVERYTHING because I’m not used to the weird-ass non-unix console. Gimme right click -> 7-zip -> extract to (subfolder), not right click -> wait 2 seconds -> show more options -> 7-zip -> extract to (subfolder)
But overall, Windows 11 isn’t all that different. There are some UI changes, but it’s surviveable.
I too am in the “Only stuck on Windows for gaming” crowd. My previous jaunt going full Linux was by far the most successful, but Nvidia’s poor Linux support and performance once again led me back to the Microsoft world on Desktop.
re: context menu
Don’t trust me here, or any post giving commands like this. You can search for steps to revert the context menu to pre-simplified versions. You can do the same as this command manually using regedit and finding the correct keys/etc… After this, reboot and you have your menu back to a usable state.
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
11 is better in my experience, I like that they added tabs to explorer and terminal
I use both (different machine), and find the difference minimal. Terminal has tabs on Win 10, and there are so many better alternatives to file explorer—I’m using XYPlorer now but have used many others.
There may be other reasons to upgrade of course.
