Over 100 children at the school are susceptible to virus.
Hey guys, thanks to anti-vax grifter podcasts we now have diseases we had almost defeated circulating again! Humans are so cool!
I fucking hate this place
Idk. You leave shitty comments around in the same irresponsible way that the antivax parents do. You think people give a shit about what you say, exactly like them.
You don’t hate this place. You fucking hate yourself. Taking a shit over in some unrelated thread may feel good to you but it can’t hide how weak and just… sad you are
Tl/dr
This shit goes back way further than podcasts. I think Jenny McCarthy popularized in the early 00s.
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Religion, plain and simple. Religious zealots turning their back on science.
This is entirely too simplistic of an answer.
Religion is part of it for some people, but on the whole, this trend is the result of multiple issues with our culture, our education, our media, and a whole host of other things big and small. All of which have been exacerbated in recent years by bad actors.
It’s really satisfying to say things like “religious zealots” but the world is not that simple.
Religion is a root cause, or at the very least (on a good day) a root enabler
All religion is a borderline cult and with that you can control: Peoples sex habits, Peoples tastes, Peoples beliefs and from there you can control their very core behaviors and moral definitions (What’s right and wrong)
Read up on how brainwashing happens and then read up on what most religions control and teach and you’ll notice a lot of similarities to bonafide cults. The only difference is Catholicism makes you not eat meat on Fridays and wears you down through indoctrination little be little, a bonafide cults will idk throw you in a small room to starve until you believe the leader is God reborn or something.
I’m not saying the world would be united and there would be no evil, but maybe if religion was never a thing we would default to logic and reasoning instead of defaulting “to a higher being”
And Christian Nationalist lobbying pushing anti intellectual legislation and measures.
It isn’t just the USA. There are anti-vaxxers all over the world.
But you are seeing a transition from a relatively stable and prosperous time to one less so and people are freaking out as to why. One of the seen solutions is to reject modernity and embrace tradition.
You also have a lot of mothers who have hinged their entire self worth on being good mothers. They’ve been sold an idea that vaccines cause autism and there hasn’t been an outbreak of these diseases within their lifetime, so they don’t understand the benefits in this cost-benefit scenario.
You can just call them ignorant idiots and in this case money doesn’t buy intelligence.
Unfortunately, the antivax crowd is not unique to America, but has spread worldwide
Sad the children have to suffer for their idiot parents.
It’s worse than that. Vaccines are not 100% effective and some people have legitimate reasons why they can’t get a vaccine…and those kids are getting fucked by other parents’ poor decisions.
Non medical exemptions need to go.
Vaccines are not 100% effective
Ah ha, so vaccines aren’t effective! /s
And since wiping your butt does not get you 100% clean, I just shit my pants now. I am a very smart boy.
Failing to vaccinate a kid (unless there are legit medical reasons) should be a chargeable offence in the same way that letting them sit in the backseat of a car without a booster / seatbelt is. These parents, as stupid and credulous as they are, have endangered their kids and some of them might suffer life altering injuries or death from that.
This is Florida, best you’ll get is each kid getting a gun to defend from measles.
“Here you go Timmy. Just shoot any child that gets close to you. We are scared enough of measles to give you a gun, but not scared enough to have you vaccinated.”
Over 100 children at the school are susceptible to virus.
Wrong. They’re all susceptible.
As many learned during COVID, mass vaccination is necessary to prevent the spread of a virus.
The devil is in the details though. Covid vaccines are not a good example of this as they mostly reduce the risk of dying from Covid. You can still get sick and distribute the virus, it is just a ton milder and much less dangerous (which is still useful and you should get vaccinated obviously, just saying before anyone thinks I am anti vaccine). The measles vaccine however prevents people from getting sick at all, unless I am mistaken.
You aren’t mistaken.
Afaiu it also saves them from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_sclerosing_panencephalitis, which is a delayed death sentence.Exactly. Long measles is like slow rabies
Yah, less contagious, but as deadly, which is kinda horrible 😕
Sadly, ou are mistaken. The 89% of vaccinated kids are at risk of measles as it is circulating in that community.
No. The measles vaccine is around 97% effective at preventing the disease. Yes, some who got the vaccine are still at risk, but the vast majority of them have effective protection.
If nursing a patient with measles, there is a reason why gloves and hand hygine is still required. Medically, we consider the 97% effective as a population average besed upon “usual exposure”. That means 3 in 100 vaccinated children are likely to contract measles this way. If your. local exposure is higher, then there are higher infection rates in that peer group. If you sit next to me for 5 mins you have one risk of exposure. If we are kids in a classroom together for several hours, then the transmission risk is higher. So yes, just like COVID, the higher the proportion of infective people and the longer the contact time the greater the risk of infection and also transmission.
Is it 97% on the basis that herd immunization makes your exposure unlikely, so that you’d at best be exposed to a single person that could contract it to you?
Or is it 97% on the basis that you are submerged in an atmosphere full of people sick from measles?
WHO information on these numbers
So either it refers to a clinical trial with a defined exposure, or it referes to empircal data that is based on the conditions in the real world, which critically includes the herd immunity.
Herd immunity is a critical factor and it works exponentially. E.g. from 100% to 95% is less of an issue than from 95% to 90% The critical point for measles is at around 92% to prevent exponential infections. This included the risk for people who are vaccinated
Measles are among the most contagious diseases. To interpret the graph. Because of the high R rate w.o. immunization, you need 92% immunization rates to have one measle case cause another measle case, e.g. reproduction = 1. You go below and it goes exponential.
3% risk is really freaking high when there’s lots of virus around you
3% of the 89% times how many students? That’s a hell of a lot of suffering invaccinated individuals.
So 89% of children have a 3% risk of catching measles if exposed, that’s 30 children given the article numbers, out of 1100 total children.
I believe this is called a risk, given you can’t know which children the vaccine won’t work.
I hate that people in charge were never able to properly communicate this subtle difference.
Some vaccines give you immunity, others resistance.
Some people thought the vaccine for covid was supposed to give immunity and when it didn’t they thought they were lied to and started to distrust vaccines 😕
If I had a time machine, I’d abduct antivaxxers and take them back in time before vaccines existed and ask them to explain their position to someone who lost half a dozen children to now-preventable illnesses.
Manatee Bay in Weston Florida. I saved you a click.
It’s a very affluent neighborhood in a very affluent city. Homes start at $1 Million in the entire city. Feel bad for the kids.
Great. They just had a huge soccer tournament there this past weekend, with kids (and parents) travelling from all of Florida and out of State. This is going to be 👍
Wow, who could’ve ever precicted not vaccinating your kids because you saw your neighborhood drunk stay at home mom who believes in healing crystals “explain” why scientists are wrong was a dumb decision that would lead to this ?
This is so sad it turned comical. Those suffering are not the ones to blame, but it seems there’s no other way than have people start dying for “belief” in science to return.
It’ll take losing their children to maybe knock some sense into them. Maybe
Measles coming back might finally cow those susceptible to antivaxxer propaganda. But it will have to be widespread. People will have to die horrifically before we beat back antivaxxers to a small percentage of the population once again.
People are too fucking stupid to just get their vaccines unless there is a stick. Carrots don’t work well enough, apparently. Over a disease once considered eliminated, too. I’m salty that people can’t do literally anything for the greater good one a year, or even once every 10 years.
Over 500k people died of COVID-19 and yet anti-vaxx still exists and they are still growing in numbers.
Measles and chicken pox has been coming back for years, they will not change their minds. Unless it happens to them of course.
Yes, but they don’t have autism, and their DNA hasnt been changed and they can’t get Covid from the 5G towers. /s
Any parent of a kid that is unvaccinated should be charged with abuse and child endangerment IMO.
At first I though this was a bit draconian; that is, solving what is largely an education/misinformation issue and diminishing civil liberties all the while opening the door to abuse from a more nefarious government — on the other hand, it would force the topic of vaccinations into a court of law where anti-vaxx fallacies would fall completely flat.
Personally I’d much rather bring up charges against the primary sources of such misinformation; then that might cause them to think twice about spreading lies in the future.
But America is open for business when it comes to grift. From Alex Jones and Joe Rogan to Steve Bannon — they understand that the gullible are profitable.
The problem is with primary souce is that for all intents and purposes there isnt one anymore. Sure back in the 90s there were but its a lot like creationism, a rat king of lies and stupid shit. Self perpetrating bullshit has to be dealt with via other means.
Is it time to go get a MMR booster?
I am currently ttc and they made me get tested to see how my antibodies were for measles, mumps and rubella (and some other diseases we were vaccinated against in childhood). My rubella antibodies were pretty much non existent now. It can wear off over the decades. Was told I should get the MMR booster before becoming pregnant. So I guess maybe its not a bad idea for us adults to get our antibodies tested, or maybe go ahead and get the booster if its available in your country or area if you are in your thirties or older. Especially since a bunch of parents are no longer vaccinating their children, the herd immunity isn’t protecting those who either were unable to get vaccinated or the antibodies from infection/vaccination have worn off. My stepfather completely lost his hearing in his right ear because he got measles as a boy (before the vaccine was created). So even ignoring the horrible painful rash you get, it can also make you deaf, blind, or kill you. A lot of us have forgotten how damaging these diseases can be, we’ve been spoiled by our vaccine protection. Even if you got your MMR shots as an infant it does wear off and you will no longer be protected by herd immunity.
edit: i wrote father in law instead of stepfather
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I never heard of Gene Tierney, I’ll look at your links. I can’t imagine what it was like for them to know that an ignorant fan caused their child to have such difficulties for the rest of their life. I got MMR booster a couple months ago and my husband is currently getting bloodwork done to see what his titre levels are too. There’s been a concerning uptick of cases where we live and the MMR booster is in shorter supply now so our doctor doesn’t want to give them out unnecessarily if he doesn’t need them.
Thank you very much for your well wishes, it was nice reading a kind comment (even if I am 2 months late).
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