So where’s the NRA? Armed in her own home and shot by government tyrants exercising her right to protect herself with a firearm.
Who am I kidding…
Same place the NRA was when Philando Castile and Breonna Taylor were shot.
And since this woman is apparently queer, I’m guessing the NRA will have the same level of sympathy.
She was safe®! (sorry forgot the /s)
Holy fuck. I don’t usually watch these videos because I am pretty squeamish, but I did for some reason, and you don’t actually see the woman get shot.
What you do see is two cops immediately empty their weapons’ entire clips the second they think they see a gun.
Cowards. The lot of them.
To be fair, they did see a gun and it was after a break in, and they loudly yelled they were the Sherrifs department, with an open window nearby.
The sheriff’s may not have made a correct choice, but if I were in their shoes shoes while standing outside the only exit after yelling I was a cop at an apartment that was just broken into and saw a person going up to the door without turning the lights on with gun in hand I would sure as heck be thinking this person is about to start shooting their way past us.
Your argument would work if they hadn’t yelled to drop the weapon and started shooting in the middle of it.
They didn’t imagine the gun. The girlfriend confirms that she picked up her gun and went to the door. If the police are there and banging on the door, you don’t pick up a gun and walk to the door in America.
Weird, I thought there was this thing called the second amendment that gun advocates always say is necessary to defend yourself against tyranny.
Also, the cops yell, “DROP THE GUN!” and the start shooting. Immediately.
Maybe don’t blame the victim for both exercising her right and for the cops not even giving her time to do what they tell her to do.
more like “DRO-💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥!”
But this dude thinks she should have “just complied.”
Bro. Clearly she should have used the Sands of Time to reverse as soon as the police made the “Dro” in “Drop your weapon”
She should have played jar of greed so she had a chance to pull such a card
They specifically shot her because she came to the door with a gun. She could see them just as easily as they could see her. If she had time to pick up her gun and walk across the room she had time to yell out to them that she was the home owner. She also had time to see them and realize that approaching the cops with a firearm might not be the best idea.
Why should she have to announce that she was holding her legal property inside her own home?
Why shouldn’t the police have given her time to drop her weapon when they told her to drop her weapon?
You can’t be this clueless.
The cops were responding to a call about a break-in and when they asked for someone to come to the door they showed up with a gun. The cops aren’t going to sit there and wait for the person to start shooting at them. How disconnected do you have to be to think when the cops are banging on the door that it’s a good idea to grab a gun and rock up to the door with absolutely no warning?
Did she at any point identify herself to the police? Did she yell out ‘I’m the home owner and I have a gun’?
She might get a payout, but very unlikely that anything will happen to the cops given the situation.
The right to bear arms is a lot like the right to free speech. It protects your right to do it, it doesn’t protect you from the consequences.
Luckily home invaders and criminals never claim to be police when attempting to gain entry.
Otherwise, that might mean you’re just a gigantic douchebag.
I don’t even think that’s relevant. She was inside her home. The gun was her property. She had it legally. She should not have to announce that she is holding her legal property inside her own home, even if it is a gun.
Exactly. This is TEXAS in AMERICA. She has the right to walk around her property with a personal firarm.
It’s the second one.
They broke a window to get into their place and a short time later someone showed up and banged on the door claiming to be police. There is also a giant window right there she could look out and see it’s the police. Try to project less.
Funny that you keep ignoring the whole part where the police started shooting either right in the middle or just after telling her to drop her weapon, giving her no time to drop her weapon.
I’m not ignoring that part. You’re ignoring the part where she could have clearly identified the police through the window and realized that in today’s climate it might not have been a good idea to carry a gun towards the police.
You should consult ChatGPT before using terms you aren’t familiar with. Shit, a quick Google search could have showed you what projection actually is, and isn’t.
No, she did not defy the laws of time and space and announce that she had a gun or that she was a homeowner in the tiny space of time between getting off the couch and getting shot by police who tell her to drop the gun and don’t give her the time to drop it.
it doesn’t protect you from the consequences.
Consequences like police telling you to drop a gun and then shooting you the second the last syllable enters their mouth? Because, again, I’m not sure why you’re expecting her to defy the laws of time and space.
Also, why on Earth you think identifying yourself and saying you have a gun would help her when they didn’t help Philando Castile, I don’t know. Feel free to explain it. Because Castile said it
in the middle of the daywhere the cops could clearly see what was going on and he was still murdered. Sorry, not murdered, treated fairly by the cops. His very fair treatment for complying with everything the police asked of him and telling them he had a gun.Edit: Misremembered a detail.
The victims only heard banging and not the cops announcement.
So she gets her gun to defend herself and answer the door.
Cops see the gun through the window. Don’t announce they’re police. Scream to drop the gun and immediately empty their clips…
The same window the victim could have looked out? The cops clearly identified themselves on the video.
Last year, there was a story on here about a homeowner who blasted a drunk college kid through the door of the house because the drunk kid thought it was his own house, and broke the window to unlock the door. And the homeowner faced no charges because it was self-defense. I lamented that this is the America we live in, where people just start blasting without trying anything else first, like turning on the porch light, or calling out. I got down-voted to hell by all the people who said they’d do the same to protect their families.
What if it’d been the cops at the wrong house instead of a drunk college student?
And if they had plugged a child with a toy gun in this circumstance your argument would be what? Go ahead. Try and say that never happens. I dare you.
Walking to the front door of her home with a legally owned firearm does not excuse these officers from attempting to murder her.
Cause only cops can say they are cops, right?
There’s a law against impersonating cops, so surely no law-abiding home intruder is going to lie like that.
Jesus lmao. What the fuck is that shit?
DROP THE
BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG
GUN!
It’s like a joke almost. Like the cops from Cyberpunk. The fuck.
The number of bangs is impressive!
https://youtu.be/eAz9_iApfRI?t=1m50s
I’m just going to leave a time-stamped link to the unedited video because there are a couple apologists in here that are absolutely ridiculous.
The officers identify themselves exactly once at 2:07, a car alarm starts going off at 2:18 and noticeably startles the officer wearing the cam, at 2:23 one of the officers says “someone’s coming”, and at 2:26 the syllable “Dro-” is interrupted by both officers completely unloading their magazines into the door/window.
It actually doesn’t even look like the door was open and maybe the victim was trying to peek out the window?
So how exactly should she have handled this situation to have avoided someone trying to randomly murder her in her own home?
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completely unloading their magazines into the door/window.
You’re not exaggerating here. It takes about 8 seconds for the one officer to reload the weapon once the mag’s been emptied by spasmodic panic-shooting, and while we can deduct time used to talk on the radio, it didn’t stop what looked like 40-50 rounds being pumped into the general vicinity of a person.
I have cops in the family, and I get a good idea of the day-to-day grind their soul endures in my country’s best-trained and worst-paid police force, and I’ll be among hte first to review something critically. There’s nothing mitigating about this; it’s objectively horrific.
Edit: ho-oleee shit, she survived.
Pouncy, a friend of the woman who lived in the apartment, sustained a total of five gunshot wounds to the leg and torso, according to her attorney, Ben Crump, who reacted to the release of the video on Monday, calling it “evidence of the unnecessary and excessive force.”
None of Pouncy’s vital organs were struck by bullets, but the long-term effects of her injuries are yet to be determined, according to Crump. He told ABC News that Pouncy is traumatized by the incident.
I hope she can live and sue the cops so hard it’ll change their training, and these two will split between telling their story of idiocy and parking enforcement for the rest of their careers.
They shoot people for no reason and you hope they get parking duty?
How about they go to prison for their crime of attempted murder.
Hes just being real as to what’s going to happen. Of course we all want them in prison drinking prison goop through a straw.
Okay, fair enough. To counter, officers typically have to make split second decisions that can mean life and death. They don’t want to die, just like you and me. They go to the home, it’s clear someone broke in. They announce themselves, 15 minutes later, someone comes walking to the door holding a gun. Now, how SHOULD have the cops handled the situation? Again, it’s SO easy to say “well, they should have done this…or that…” when it’s not you constantly worried about whether or not you’re going to die every time you put on your work uniform.
Now, how SHOULD have the cops handled the situation? Again, it’s SO easy to say “well, they should have done this…or that…”
Here’s the thing…I don’t have to provide the answer to this question. I am not a “trained professional” that is paid specifically to handle these kind of situations.
What I can say without a doubt is there is zero excuse for this woman being shot. If officers are not able to go through their workday without shooting an innocent person then either they shouldn’t be a cop or they shouldn’t carry a weapon. Period.
A police officer’s discomfort or cowardice does not supersede an innocent citizen’s rights.
It’s an order of magnitude more dangerous to get in your vehicle and drive somewhere than it is to be a cop. Is this how you’d defend someone who committed vehicular manslaughter due to negligence?
I bartend. Bad neighborhood, no security. When I work, it’s just me behind the bar. Same with my coworkers. There have been plenty of times over the years when shitheads have come into the bar looking to start problems, plus the usual nonsense that happens with a room fun of drunk people. I’ve never shot anybody over it. Neither have any of my coworkers.
Well you might actually face consequences, so that’s understandable.
officers typically have to make split second decisions that can mean life and death
If you feel you need to UNLOAD your weapon at the slightest hint of anything amiss Then don’t become a fucking cop. That’s a choice anyone can make.
Now fuck off, you apologist piece of shit.
Why don’t you join your local police department, show everyone how it’s supposed to be done?
Pizza delivery drivers die on the job twice as often as police. Should they be able to shoot anyone they want without real repercussions?
…Actually, food service workers specifically should get one free kill a year
“Shoot anyone they want” is a exaggeration. There’s over 1 million police officers in this country, over 30,000 police departments… how many would you say are just “going out and shooting anyone they want?”
Look for another job if you can’t handle the stress of your current one? Don’t just unload your lethal weapon at the slightest hint of potential threat?
No other western democracy has such well armed and yet poorly trained police as those found in the USA.
Name me another “democracy” with over 300 million people, from 1000’s of different cultures and backgrounds…who’s doing it right? The point is, you all seem to make it sound like it’s so easy… there’s not another country on the planet in a similar situation as the US.
All of western Europe can do just fine and on net they are as big and as diverse collectively as us.
That’s fair right? Compare a lot of small, independent countries to the United States…
Yeah, because the US attacks and destroys anyone who tries.
What happened to Salvador Allende? What happened to Sukarno? What happened to Patrice Lumumba?
There’d be more successful mutliethnic democracies in the world if America didn’t hunt them down and destroy them.
Name me a country that has destroyed more democracies than the US.
So, what are you proposing? The United States just stop getting involved in everyone’s business? Isn’t that what Trump was about? Yet, here we are… damn if you do, damn if you don’t.
Trump assassinated an Iranian general.
Assuming those officers are following their training, we need to change officer training. That behavior is more military than police.
The military have much stricter rules of engagement and punishment for not following them.
Police behavior is more similar to that of a street gang.
The US is one of the largest countries on Earth, with all sorts of different crimes from different walks of life. Street gang or not, it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime. You think it’s bad now? Imagine if no one would wanted to be a cop. Imagine if every time a cop did something wrong, they were fired or imprisoned. We’d literally have no one wanting to do it. I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.
That’s an interesting opinion. Unfortunately, the facts don’t quite align with your feelings.
it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime
Why do you believe this? Police forces as they exist today aren’t even as old as the US. Sure, the US wasn’t a bastion of freedom upon its founding but that wasn’t due to a lack of police. The absolute biggest factors for controlling neighborhood level crime are increasing public education and reducing the effects of poverty.
I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.
And this is the weirdest take right here. Freedom and strong, strict police forces are inversely related by definition. One could even point to the origin of many police departments as opposition to freedom.
Feelings? What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago? I mean, there has to be law and order. Are you proposing we “loosen” up on things, and just hope people will get nicer?
What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago?
I’m willing to bet you’ve never left the suburbs of a Southern state.
I live in California, I travel extensively for work. I’ve been to many major cities throughout the US… the inner cities are horrible. I’m thankful I live in a smaller city (not the suburbs) in California that 100% supports its police department, low crime rates, and community support for each other.
*dogs barking*
Oh yeah there’s absolutely no way a country could possibly police itself without murdering its own citizens.
‘No way to prevent this,’ says only nation where this regularly happens.
tbf, if you approach soldiers in an active combat zone while carrying a gun, they are legally allowed to shoot you. The weapon marks you as a combatant.
That’s not what I was told when I was sent to a combat zone. There’s a thing called escalation of force and someone simply holding a gun isn’t automatically a target.
That’s not actually true. ROE gets much more specific than that. The US holds that members of the military always retain the right to self defense, but that means that there are times you can’t fire until someone fires on you. So a weapon doesn’t default to legally allowed to shoot. And frequently there are rules about how you escalate force to include verbal warnings given in the local language.
The US Manual for Military Commissions (2007) states: “Lawful enemy combatant” means a person who is:
A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States.
I would link to a primary source, but they’re all PDFs. So, this is from the Red Cross. There are additional requirements, but openly carrying arms is a big one.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/fr/customary-ihl/v2/rule3
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I’m not disagreeing about them being a combatant. I’m disagreeing that being a combatant gives the military carte blanche authority to kill you. Like I said, the rules of engagement can be very specific about how, when, where, and with who you are legally allowed to engage. Self defense is the only universal time the US military is allowed to use lethal force. Outside of that you follow the restrictions and force escalations parameters outlined in the ROE.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
The US is not an active combat zone though.
Sure it is, you can see a fascistic occupation force right there.
Agreed. Just pointing out that this is a militaristic mindset, in disagreement with the previous commenter that wanted to say it was not.
“In an active combat zone” is doing some heavy lifting there.
Part of the point I was trying to make was about how clearly, those two cops did not see things in the same way as we do. They are very clearly behaving as if it was an active warzone, and they are facing a confirmed enemy.
I am more interested in the source of this mentality than I am simply brushing it off as a broader “cops are always whatever”.
Military would not mess up this bad!
Yes, and there was a point of nuance I missed as well. I was not attempting to disparage the modern military though, as much as point out the us-vs-them mentality and pursuit of destruction of the enemy as a high priority.
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You can punish him AND blame the training too, then change the training.
We can do more than one thing.
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Not a lot of knights in my area. Can you please explain the meaning?
This is a horrible take. A police force only works if they follow a strict set of rules, so we need those rules to be well thought out and defined. Every officer needs to be following their directives to the letter if the police is ever going to be good.
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Everyone needs training for their job. If they do not follow their training, they are probably not doing a good job.
Inspired by true events:
WTH they empty whole clips on her! WHILE asking her to drop the gun!
Someone breaks into a house, and then walks to the window holding a gun…I mean, ya’ll make it sound SO easy being a cop and reacting to split second decisions that can mean life and death…
There are plenty of cases where the police overreact or use excessive force entirely unjustified. There are even more cases when the police get shot at without any rhythm or reason.
There’s a reason they’re trained to open fire in uncertain situations. A split second decision might be the difference between them dying on the job and going back home to their families.
So, don’t create those uncertain situations, unless getting shot is what you’re looking for. If the police are banging on your door, they suspect that something is going on. Best you can do, is help them figure out the situation. The cops, however, are not psychic and don’t know you and your intentions. So, if you have a gun, keep it in your holster or off yourself entirely. Identify yourself. Talk to them. Don’t just walk out on them, gun in hand…
What the fuck ever.
Being a cop isn’t even one of the top 25 most dangerous jobs in America and they get to have a gun and get away with shooting people.
The slogan is ‘to protect and serve,’ not ‘to be a coward and fire an entire clip before you can assess the situation.’
The slogan isn’t “get shot and die, because you’re too tough to shoot an armed person first” either.
Just imagine yourself in this situation: You’re a cop. You’re in front of a house that someone, reportedly, broke into. You bang on the door and identify yourself. Several seconds later, a person with gun walks out, not saying a word.
Even if you take a second to access the situation: there’s a person, brandishing a weapon (which, in most cases, is a crime) walking out of a house that has been broken into. How does this come off as a safe or normal situation, exactly?
Several seconds later, a person with gun walks out, not saying a word.
That did not happen.
brandishing a weapon
Also did not happen. Holding a weapon is not brandishing it.
That did not happen.
There’s a video. You can watch it.
Also did not happen. Holding a weapon is not brandishing it.
The definition of “brandishing” in holding or display a weapon in an intimidating or threatening manner. Substitute the cops with a pizza delivery person, for example, and I bet they’d feel pretty darn intimidated and/or threatened in this exact situation.
When you greet someone at your door, you keep your gun in your holster, just like you keep your dick in your pants. That’s called common sense. If you don’t have, you’ve only got yourself to blame.
I did watch it. She neither walked out nor did she hold the gun in a threatening manner. Those are simply untrue. She was inside. You can see she was inside. Even the article says she was walking to the door.
Pouncy’s girlfriend told reporters Friday that she and Pouncy heard banging on the door and that Pouncy walked to the door with gun.
But please do show her outside, brandishing the gun. A timestamp on the video at the top of the article will be fine.
The cops are several yards to the right of the door. Last time I’ve checked, the cops didn’t posses the ability to see through walls or behind corners.
Did you forget that you claimed that you could see on the video that she was outside her home and brandishing a weapon?
They signed up to abuse power and be bullies not put their life on the line to protect people.
Clearly that’s only reason police exist. No exceptions. They never do anything other than abuse power and shoot people for funzies. Not at all.
As we all know, the world is perfectly black and white. Assigning qualities to groups of people and, then, treating people in those groups as if all of them posses those same qualities is a perfect system with no flaws. AdolfSchmitler would know.
ACAB.
Okay, I officially feel like an idiot now.
This entire thread is like arguing with a dog regarding its barking. No matter how much thought and logic is thrown at it, the dog just wouldn’t shut up, because it doesn’t even comprehend what “an argument”, “logic” and “reason” are.
Same here. You use logic and explain that the world is not perfectly black and white, in returns they yell “acab” just because they “feel” like it.
