As much as I wish the hostages can be freed, real politic says it’d be fucking idiotic of them to do so.
If they do agree to the ceasefire, they’ll continue to be slowly wiped out like they have by settlers and other apartheid policies over the past 70 years as soon as it ends - if Israel doesn’t break the truce early or just focuses purely on the West Bank who wouldn’t be part of the deal and who continue to be oppressed, kicked off their land, kidnapped, or murdered by Israel even without Hamas there.
Whereas right now is probably the most success they’ve ever had against Israel, large swathes of millennials and Zoomers worldwide are completely turned off supporting them after witnessing the genocidal unfolding. Meaning the future of western political support for Israel could dry up over the following decades as more boomers pass on.
I really don’t see how this could possibly be “the most success they’ve ever had against Israel.” Public support is still very much mixed, Israeli support has been all but fucking obliterated as the country shifts hard right in response, Gaza has been predictably utterly devastated, and the settler fuckwits are being given a blind eye by both the Israeli government and people now to thoroughly escalate their intrusions and crimes. The only “success” to come out of this entire situation is that Hamas I guess, as well as Likudnik ahitheads and worse, are reapectively experiencing massive rally round the flag gains.
And that’s the worst part. I can only assume the millenials and gen z don’t support Hamas, but don’t want to see Palestinians obliterated by an unchecked club bouncer from Jersey.
And for any right-wing chucklefuck that says they deserve it because they elected Hamas, desparate people always pick a heavy-handed solution because they have nowhere else to turn. Look at the rise of right and/or left authoritarianism in the past century. Look at the economic and social factors involved.
More people know about the Palestinian conflict and Israeli war crimes than ever before. Plus, for a brief moment, the deaths on the Israeli side were higher than on the Palestinian side for the first time. It’s also the only time they’ve had a large number of hostages to use as leverage for a deal.
If your fundamental goals are dead people and just publicity, sure, then I guess this was a roaring success. Typically success for matters is defined by advancing, say, the freedom and dignity of the Palestinians suffering under oppression, though. And by that very reasonable metric, no, this whole thing has been a catastrophic failure on the part of Hamas, the group that (violently) usurped governance of Gaza years ago. There is unlikely, and this was predictable from the get-go, to be any substantive advancement of the benefit of the Palestinian people, or Gazans in particular. A random lemmy poster put it on a perfectly succinct and correct manner when reports of 10/7 first came out–Hamas shot every single Palestinian in both Gaza and the West Bank square in the dick this time.
Oh they definitely fucked up. You won’t hear any argument on that from me. We all saw it coming that day. But if I was them, I would also realize that it becomes especially worthless if they lose all their hostages, too.
As much as I wish the hostages can be freed, real politic says it’d be fucking idiotic of them to do so.
If they do agree to the ceasefire, they’ll continue to be slowly wiped out like they have by settlers and other apartheid policies over the past 70 years as soon as it ends - if Israel doesn’t break the truce early or just focuses purely on the West Bank who wouldn’t be part of the deal and who continue to be oppressed, kicked off their land, kidnapped, or murdered by Israel even without Hamas there.
Whereas right now is probably the most success they’ve ever had against Israel, large swathes of millennials and Zoomers worldwide are completely turned off supporting them after witnessing the genocidal unfolding. Meaning the future of western political support for Israel could dry up over the following decades as more boomers pass on.
I really don’t see how this could possibly be “the most success they’ve ever had against Israel.” Public support is still very much mixed, Israeli support has been all but fucking obliterated as the country shifts hard right in response, Gaza has been predictably utterly devastated, and the settler fuckwits are being given a blind eye by both the Israeli government and people now to thoroughly escalate their intrusions and crimes. The only “success” to come out of this entire situation is that Hamas I guess, as well as Likudnik ahitheads and worse, are reapectively experiencing massive rally round the flag gains.
And that’s the worst part. I can only assume the millenials and gen z don’t support Hamas, but don’t want to see Palestinians obliterated by an unchecked club bouncer from Jersey.
And for any right-wing chucklefuck that says they deserve it because they elected Hamas, desparate people always pick a heavy-handed solution because they have nowhere else to turn. Look at the rise of right and/or left authoritarianism in the past century. Look at the economic and social factors involved.
More people know about the Palestinian conflict and Israeli war crimes than ever before. Plus, for a brief moment, the deaths on the Israeli side were higher than on the Palestinian side for the first time. It’s also the only time they’ve had a large number of hostages to use as leverage for a deal.
If your fundamental goals are dead people and just publicity, sure, then I guess this was a roaring success. Typically success for matters is defined by advancing, say, the freedom and dignity of the Palestinians suffering under oppression, though. And by that very reasonable metric, no, this whole thing has been a catastrophic failure on the part of Hamas, the group that (violently) usurped governance of Gaza years ago. There is unlikely, and this was predictable from the get-go, to be any substantive advancement of the benefit of the Palestinian people, or Gazans in particular. A random lemmy poster put it on a perfectly succinct and correct manner when reports of 10/7 first came out–Hamas shot every single Palestinian in both Gaza and the West Bank square in the dick this time.
Oh they definitely fucked up. You won’t hear any argument on that from me. We all saw it coming that day. But if I was them, I would also realize that it becomes especially worthless if they lose all their hostages, too.