• DeadHorseX@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      So was the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

      They’re not going anywhere, and the people who call for the abolition of those countries are nutcases and will always be accurately understood as nutcases.

      Pakistan and India were formed just like Israel was: according to international law and by partition.

      If the Palestinians want a state, they can have one: alongside Israel. Those are the terms. And until they accept that, they will suffer. Sucks for them.

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        10 months ago

        What? So we’re supposed to live by the same standards we had before globalization?

        So, as a human society we have not evolved to recognize that what happened in the US was wrong and that it happening again is not acceptable?

        Hm.

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        Pakistan and India wasn’t the same. it was single nation split in two. the people in it is native. Israel is nonexistent before 1948 and the people were brought from outside. as south African kick out theirs oppressors, Palestinian will do the same. israel is no different than nazi, instead israel are worst.

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          the people in it is native.

          Some were, some weren’t. Depends how far back you want to go, which wave of mass migration you’re talking about.

          Israel is nonexistent before 1948 and the people were brought from outside

          Except, of course, that none of this is correct.

          First, there’s the ancient Kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the same people.

          Second, Jews maintained a continuous presence in the land of Israel-Palestine ever since then. They are, therefore, indigenous to the land.

          Third, the majority of Jewish Israelis are Mizrahis – Jews from Arab lands who’ve lived there since the Second Temple Period (516 BC - 70 AD), who were forced to flee from these neighbouring Muslim states due to violence, pogroms, repression and the theft of their property.

          We know from numerous scientific studies of Jewish and Palestinian DNA that they’re almost identical, and share a common root, most likely both being descendents of the ancient Canaanites. Here’s a very recent one. There’s almost no genetic difference with ‘European’ Ashkenazi Jews either, because they very rarely intermarried with other faith/ethnic groups. Here’s another from 2015 in Haaretz.

          Palestinians and Jews are basically cousins, genetically speaking, and both are indigenous to the land. Palestinians perceive it as an invasion, and that’s understandable despite not being true. To the Jews, they were returning from exile to their homeland only to find that there were squatters who’d let the place fall to ruin while they were gone, which is also understandable though not true.

          They’ll find a way to live together one day, but it’ll require both sides to accept the rights of the other.