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When hasn’t this been the case?
We should unrich them
The non-owning classes need a different tool for tracking debts than the fiat currency we’re used to.
If there is a way to cooperatively track value created by working within your neighborhood, say fixing a neighbors deck, delivering food, etc, outside of macroeconomic trade, we could figure out how to live without the hoarding pigs.
The difficult part is accountability. Commodities and fiat currencies are what they are, but trying to implement some other fungible measure of value created before the representation of that value already exists is what has me scratching my head. If there are 100 people capable of doing work within their community but only $10 to go around them, it doesn’t make sense to exchange work for money that doesn’t exist. But if those 100 people can agree to compensate one another by exchanging work without using the currency, they would all be unblocked and industrious.
There were lots of economies that worked this way. One recent example was the Irish Bankers Strike. Most of the banks in Ireland closed because they wanted concessions. The banks gave up on their strike because the overall economy wasn’t affected much because people just paid with what cash they had, and if they needed credit they’d go visit their local pub where the owner would vouch for them.
There’s more examples in David Graeber’s book “Debt: The First 5,000 Years.” Early economies didn’t have money, but they still made it work.
you’re better off ditching the strict accounting and foraging durable social relations instead. I recomend reading Bolo’Bolo
So Trump’s declaration of wanting the stock market to crash is a coded phrase to make the rich lose? Trump wants to suck the rich dry!
M->C->M
When the stock market crashes, those with the lion’s share of money in the system will take their money out and convert it into other capital. Maintaining their competitive edge over markets that are actively growing value.
Meanwhile C->M->C
Those who have stocks in order to afford bills when they retire will take the brunt of the blow, since they can’t freely remove their capital from the stock market due to legal restrictions on how their money can flow through the system. The ones who will lose the most are those who are currently retired and have no choice but to eat the losses without any recompense.
When the stock market crashes, those with the lion’s share of money in the system will take their money out and convert it into other capital.
They sell low? I don’t think so.
I wonder what might cause the trend to turn in one direction or another. For example, if 8% of equities are owned by one group while the other 92% are owned by another, then I suppose I’d expect both “shares” to grow proportionally to one another. In other words, if the market as a whole gains 50%, then I’d expect the ratio of shares owned by each group to remain stable… the only thing I can think of that might explain the difference in outcomes is perhaps a difference in portfolio composition, which could reflect a gap in investment preferences, or perhaps some opportunities are available to one group while excluding the other. Seems likely to be a mix of the two.
most ordinary folks investments are in retirement and older generations have been able to fund their retirement better than newer ones. older generations have to sell (or die and its sold usually because the kids need like a house or such). Rich folks never really have to sell, even if they are not working they get more than enough in dividends even if they are not paying a lot atm due to their massive stock amounts to begin with. Further they are more likely to buy more stock with dividends than regular folks.
The rich get interest while the poor get debt. Tale as old as time tbh
Hasn’t that always been the case? People with the most wealth always own the most assets.
Aside from when they sell at the top before economic downturns anyhow
By record share they mean that there has not been a time prior to now in which they’ve owned a percentage as high as they currently do.
The graph in the article makes that pretty easy to understand.
I really wish it went back to 1900 though.
Yeah agreed I would like to see back to the robber baron era and particularly around the run up to the crash in 29 and the aftermath of that. It seems like every time there’s a big crash you see a huge movement of capital siphoned up into the upper % in the aftermath.
yeah I feel like roaring twenties are the closest thing to recent times.
Yeah I see a lot of parallels for sure, which is concerning because the 30s and 40s were pretty fucked up.
its been going for awhile though and I sometimes wonder if we have these systems that are really good at keep the house of cards from falling but never really fix anything.
