• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Which is hilarious because for decades the party line has been to not allow the Iranians because they’re not rational. They still aren’t but neither is Israel.

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      11 months ago

      Israel has right extremists in its government but it’s still a democracy with functioning justice and free elections, as opposed to Iran. Not very different from the USA, who also had governments destroying the lives of millions of people, but it’s still a (flawed) democracy.

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        11 months ago

        Nobody’s free until everyone is free. Apartheid governments are not functioning democracies.

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        Even when ethnic cleansing isn’t actively going on, it’s not a democratic state if any group of people native to the land are banned from voting, can’t travel freely, and have a separate justice system that applies only to them. Iran wouldn’t have been in the state it’s in if the US hadn’t staged a coup there because they didn’t like the leftist leader people democratically elected.

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            11 months ago

            What is the point of your link? Can you not state what part of what I said that you disagree with? Regardless of what we might think of Iran now, it is a documented fact that the US & UK set the stage for, and then backed the coup against Mossaddegh to further the interests of their financial elites. My point was that the US is no paragon of democracy. If you want to disprove something about that, you should be more specific about what you believe was incorrect.

            *small edit for clarity

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              Wars have been going on in Iran since forever. There was a brief slice of westernization for less than a decade in the 70s, those pictures of rich people in the capital city center everyone’s oohs and aahs over, we did that. USSR was doing their best to exert their influence and turn Iran into a communist nation, and a handful of small groups were vying to take communism out of the equation. We funded them, although I’m sure money was coming in from more than one or two nations as Iran is a very important global geopolitical chess piece, and it eventually fell apart.

              No, the US is not a paradigm of democracy, and yes we will do what we need to, to prevent anyone else from becoming the dominant global superpower. Expect war with China by late 2027.