Timothy Murray lost his father earlier this year and had been asking his principal for counseling when she called in the police

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    Data from Brownsville ISD seen by The Observer showed its officers made 3,102 student arrests between May 2021 and Nov. 2023. Nearly 60% of those were on felony charges and 76 of those kids were in elementary school.

    what the fuck is going on over there

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      High-speed school-to-prison pipeline. Because inmates=free labour and prisons are for-profit. Gotta get 'em kidz institutionalized as early as possible!

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      what the fuck is going on over there

      Brownsville is 94% Hispanic or Latino. This is Texas doing Texas shit.

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          I’m just saying… you never had a kid in class that was years older then everyone else, not doing shit, disrupting class all the time, getting violent and ending up in jail for attempt murder just after leaving school? I had. I wish there was a way to get him out of school earlier. I would be a better environment for everyone. But there wasn’t so they had to deal with him till he was 18 yo. Then on the other hand if you let teachers kick kids out they will get lazy and start locking up children for anything like in Texas.

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              Weird, in my case it was only in elementary school. High school was not mandatory so the disruptive kids simply didn’t go there.

              Edit: Oh, just realized that you probably also have middle school. I didn’t. It was the same school from age 7 to 15. Education was mandatory till 18 or 16 yo so the school was stuck with all the stupid kids till then.

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                Ahhhh right, simple mistake to make. Middle school kids definitely deserve solitary confinement. Fucking what??

                I hope that maybe you’re just ignorant to what “solitary confinement” means, but even then, you’re talking about locking children away in fucking prison for misbehaving in 6th grade art class. Get a grip.

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                  Jesus, who’s talking about solitary confinement? Not even the original comment mentioned it. I definitely didn’t. Relax. It’s a shitty situation but getting angry about things you imagined is not going to save anyone.

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        Were you never an asshole as a kid? It’s part of growing up. We work to make them better, but arresting them does nothing worthwhile.

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        76 arrests of elementary students? Does it really matter? I have a hard time believing any arrest is appropriate for that age

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    I’ve tried to understand what the charges are, as far as I could tell it seems it’s somehow related to an anti terrorist law and caused by the kid pulling someone’s hair and gesturing to cut paper with scissors, which was interpreted as gesturing to cut a finger.

    The article seems to try very hard to obfuscate the actual reason (I’m guessing for legal reasons?)

    In any case, this seems insane, seems like excessive overreaction from everyone involved.

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      The whole thing is weird.

      His ordeal began five days later. In the late morning of September 8, Timothy was pulled out of music class and ushered into a room where he found Garza, Assistant Principal Michelle Saucedo, a district police officer, and a counselor sent from the district’s central administrative office. He was told another student had just reported that Timothy said he was planning to kill the principal. Rincon said she was called and rushed to the school but was not allowed to be in the room while Timothy was being questioned.

      “When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”

      Timothy told me he had explained to the school and district officials that the accusations were not true, that the only conversation he had that morning was with two other boys about wearing his sweater over his uniform.

      Rincon has received only a school conduct referral form, on which administrators wrote that “Timothy told another student that his hair was messy because he was up all night to come up with a plan to kill Mrs. Garza (principal).” Underneath, Timothy wrote: “No I was not up all night I just forgot [to comb my hair].”

      On the bottom of the form, administrators had written: “OSS [out-of-school suspension] 3 days 9/11-9/13.”

      https://www.texasobserver.org/why-was-this-11-year-old-honor-roll-student-put-in-solitary/

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        Not the point of this article/topic but why is law enforcement required to wear body cameras but they can turn them off whenever they want!? That’s asking for abuse! Unless they’re using the restroom (and even then I’d lean towards an independent reviewer deleting footage, if anyone). These are public servants on-the-clock! If there’s no enforcement, there’s no consequences to purposely deactivating the taxpayer-funded camera they’re supposed to be operating under…

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      I thought the same thing. Here’s the archived Texas Observer article on it, which is what this article’s source seems to be.

      Apparently the principal heard from another student that this kid was “making threats” against her. Sounds pretty thin to me.

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      Unless the kid brained someone with a tee ball trophy, I categorize this penalty in the “extreme” category.

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    Data from Brownsville ISD seen by The Observer showed its officers made 3,102 student arrests between May 2021 and Nov. 2023. Nearly 60% of those were on felony charges and 76 of those kids were in elementary school.

    What the everliving fuck is wrong with these people?

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    Despite being accused of ignoring Texas laws which require parental involvement before such interventions, Cameron County District Attorney Rene Garza told a hearing Wednesday that his office was gathering further evidence against Murray, rather than deciding to drop the charges.

    If the law protects you, it will be ignored and the people who ignore it will face no consequences for their lawlessness. The law is for hurting you, and only laws that hurt you count.

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      i cant stop laughing at the idea of the grown ass adults asking a 10 year old boy if be wanted to hurt himself whilenin handcuffs so they put him in a turtle suit and solitary his ass

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      This article:

      https://www.texasobserver.org/why-was-this-11-year-old-honor-roll-student-put-in-solitary/

      Should shed some light on the subject. Particularly:

      Garza comes from a Brownsville education legacy. Her mother, Rachel Medina Ayala, was one of Brownsville Independent School District’s first female superintendents. Garza’s two sisters are also principals in the district.

      So, in answer to your question:

      What kind of incompetent principal reacts to trouble making elementary schoolers by calling the cops on them?

      A nepotism hire with a vindictive streak.

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      This ain’t incompetence, this is a power trip. She also called CPS on a mother for questioning her special education needs program

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      The same that calls CPS on parents

      Other parents have also complained to the outlet about the principal. One mother said that, after a meeting with Garza about her 5-year-old in which her own mom questioned the school’s special education plan for the boy, Garza called Child Protective Services on her.

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      Conservative ones. Conservatives should never be in a position of authority over others, especially children!

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    Well thats just an entire chain of people that are so completely divorced from reality, common sense, and compassion, that humanity would only benefit from them being skimmed out of the gene pool.

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    This is the same detention center that had an employee who embezzled 1.2 million dollars worth of fajitas over the course of 9 years. He only got caught because he took the day off to go to a doctor’s appointment and a delivery of 800lbs of skirt steak showed up that no one else was expecting.

    What I’m saying here is the Darrell B. Hester Juvenile Detention Center isn’t known for the fastidious oversight of its employees.

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    One mother said that, after a meeting with Garza about her 5-year-old in which her own mom questioned the school’s special education plan for the boy, Garza called Child Protective Services on her.

    Garza’s mom questioned it? Or the 5yr old’s? Or the mother of the 5yr old’s? Who is “her” referencing?

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      5-year-old, mom, and grandma showed up to the meeting with the principal. Grandma questioned the school’s special education plan. Principal called CPS on mom.

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        You may want to reconsider your own reading comprehension.

        One mother said that, after a meeting… in which her own mom questioned the school’s… [plans], Garza called Child Protective Services on her.

        Who is her and her own mom?

        It is not specified at all.

        You also completely failed to address the question at hand. OP asked who the “her” in “her own mom” is referring to. Your modified sentence doesn’t even acknowledge the “her” in question.

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      Howdy Arabia is a police state hellscape. I cant wait for my parents to retire and move back up north so i never have to go back to that hellhole ever again.