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I think the main issue is the growth isn’t linear. It’s sporadic. Usually a big bump after every Reddit fuck up. Lots of bumps lately. Another one coming on the 30th.
Do you think there are a lot of people on reddit who are still waiting for the 30th to make their lemmy/kbin account? I was assuming that most who were going to come over here from this blowup had moved already.
I use Sync and saw someone suggest to the developer (who is adapting the app to Lemmy) that when the app stops working, it leaves a message indicating that Lemmy is a possible alternative. Not to say that suggestion will be taken, but I think it’s entirely possible that a decent chunk of basically uninformed users will find their favorite app inoperable and find themselves, directly or indirectly, referred to Lemmy.
Not sure. But I am still using Apollo and I don’t plan on downloading the official app when it dies so at the very least, I will go from 70/30 fediverse to almost 100 percent fediverse.
I think its a case that those who moved recently (my account here is recent but Ive been on Lemmy.ml for 2 years), had seen the writing on the wall.
When the effects start to kick in, there will be another few large influxes then when the majority left on Reddit wonder why the site went to shit overnight and where everyone else went, they will leave too.
It will be very similar to what happened with Digg all those years ago.
Yeah. When Apollo, RiF, Relay, et al stop working, a large amount of people who just use Reddit on their phones and don’t really engage with the hows and whys of the platform itself will suddenly get pushed to either figure out the Reddit official app or try something else. There will probably be a bump then, via whatever is available on the App Store/Play. I expect most will just stop using Reddit and continue using whatever other apps they already use that work (ie Instagram, Twitter, Mastodon, et al). A significant amount will just use the official Reddit app. A substantial minority will start to look for Reddit alternatives though.
Of those who stick with Reddit, or just abandon it; there will be a hole left, a Reddit shaped hole in their heart (or at least their bathroom doomscrolling). Even new Reddit won’t fill that hole after July 1st. As more and more abandon Reddit and find their way to Lemmy and kbin, that hole can be filled better here.
I think Lemmy and kbin already have that critical mass. They’ll be interesting enough to maintain their communities and organically grow, so the continued influx of Reddit refugees will just accelerate their growth.
I feel like i go around in circles saying this - there are literally hundreds of servers. If servers had caps, i.e. user caps and community caps, then people would be forced to spread out, rather than relying on two or three big servers. Otherwise we just have a central server, which is Reddit with extra steps.
Yeah. Personally, I also think the join-lemmy.org page should just be a randomised list of instances, not “recommended” and “popular”. It’ll help strengthen the decentralisation and make sure that instances are able to cope with a lot of new users coming to Lemmy easier.
Not all instances are equivalent, some of them have very different politics and moderation policies.
Good point. I think something like a short questionnaire asking what the user is interested in and how they align, stuff like that, then showing a randomised list of instances that match that would be a better idea, then.
Either way, I still think the current way of listing the instances needs to change.
Hard agree also - and the sign up button on each instance should just link to that randomised list, and people can join from there. Too many people go to “big” communities on the two or three big servers and want to be part of that - its a misunderstanding of how federation works and the UI needs to teach people that it doesnt really matter.
It kind of doesn’t matter, but the moderation policies, local timeline, server uptime/admin skill, blocked instances, and the theoretical longevity of instances can vary widely between instances.
The plethora of “Baby’s First Selfhost” servers don’t make for good Lemmy instances for example, because they are likely to be mismanaged and there’s a good chance they will disappear unexpectedly once the hype dies down in a couple months.
Or another example, you have servers that are essentially unmoderated and full of hate speech and illegal content, or heavily moderated servers that ban dissent and defed liberally, and everything in-between.
Would be possible to run your own instance from within the app you use to browse? In other words, is there a reason for a personal Lemmy instance, with only me as a user and no communities, to run even when I’m not using it to interact with other communities?
Curated communities would likely choose to defederate from instances like that since they have no barrier for entry, and may be bots, spam, or bad actors.
If you’re joining an established instance (or work with people to create a new one), then you’ll at least get a local community, which will both give a instance content if defederated, and legitimise it so it’s less likely to be.
They desperately need to support horizontal scaling. I’m sure there are enough nerds that could help them out there.
But we already have horizontal scaling in the form of separate instances. We just need to do a better job staying spread out. Making individual instances bigger is not a good thing, it makes everything more centralized.
I hear what you’re saying, but horizontal scaling also gives you improved reliability too, which is good for individual instances.
I for one would happily horizontally scale an instance I was running (which I am not for now) on my K8s lab. Why? Because I can and because I like it!
That’s too complicated for the average user.
Maybe but it’s a big point of the Fediverse
I’d hate for this to become an echo chamber of people that understand federated services. That excludes a lot of people that have no interest in it that have valuable input.
I joined a smaller instance for this reason
Same here. A smaller instance with an application gate. My experience has been very smooth for the most part.
This is quite the conundrum that the fediverse requires corporations like fastly/cachefly/cloudflare to stay afloat/responsive at scale.
While I’m all for decentralization, I don’t really see a reasonable way around this. Someone has to manage the infrastructure, and at a certain scale that’s going to be large corporations. However, as long as these services continue to be interchangeable and unlinked to the fediverse, I don’t see this as too serious of an issue.
@scarecrw @hedge @useful_idiot This, as long as you are not vendor locked it’s fine. I use cloudflare, but I’d have no problems migrating to a different provider tomorrow
