• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    You had me until revolution. Revolution won’t fix anything, this is down to the general stupidity of the people reflected in elected politicians.

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      11 months ago

      The system is rigged, politicians are bought and sold, the democratic process is agonizingly slow on purpose.

      Our politicians, regardless of affiliation, have been shown to consistently push policies that do not represent their constituents. Rather, their decisions are much more in tandem with corporate interests. Corporate interests are the single largest contributions to climate change and environmental destruction. To solve something like this, we would need to essentially replace nearly every member of our governing body and update processes to allow more rapid favorable changes that accurately represent the will of the people and the betterment of the planet. We lack the power to do this with votes, as the system is rigged, politicians are bought and sold, and the democratic process is agonizingly slow on purpose. We do not lack the power to do this via revolution.

      However, you are depressingly correct that we have an undereducated population, and future generations indicate a bleaker future. Propaganda and conspiracy (not theories; actual powerful groups doing shady shit that hurts the public at large) has us ignorant and fighting amongst ourselves. The longer this continues, the more hopeless a revolution becomes. To restate my initial comment: this has continued long enough that I forsee the bad ending. We will hold the elite afloat while we bicker in ignorance, and we will be the ones to accept the consequences of a system that hates us.

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        11 months ago

        USA doesn’t need a revolution, USA needs to fix their democracy so it doesn’t favor “strong” government, but instead favors actual democracy. That is done by removing everything first past the post, and having fair democratic representation based on votes. That will enable more parties, so voters can vote closer to their interest instead of just choosing between 2 bad options. This is how almost all democratic countries do democracy better than most English speaking countries, and especially USA.
        This is worth fighting for as an American IMO.

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          You’re right. But I think you’re underestimating just how monumental a task that is, as you’d have to address the overwhelming amount of influence money has in our system. Billionaires, CEOs, and investors have as much, if not more control over our way of life as any politician, and many politicians overlap heavily with those types. The people who’d need to fix the system are the people benefitting from the system being the way it is. There’s no clean method of addressing that issue in a timely manner, and we need results 50 years ago.

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            Yes, despite it’s the only sensible thing to do for USA if USA wants to improve maybe even just to remain a democracy, it requires an active movement that is very big. Democrats may be less bad than Republicans, but they still defend the status quo.
            I do however think that it is easier than an outright revolution, which would also have great uncertainties about the actual end result if successful.
            But it needs people that burn for it, and it needs people to connect across states. And you are right, there will probably appear massive misinformation against it financed by the 1%. And the established parties will be against it, and may even make methods used illegal, even if they are perfectly democratic according to current rules. But as I see it, it’s a fight that is as important as when USA originally fought for their freedom from the British Empire.

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          11 months ago

          it’s a song lyric.

          I go to civil rights rallies
          And I put down the old D.A.R.
          I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
          I hope every colored boy becomes a star
          But don't talk about revolution
          That's going a little bit too far
          So love me, love me
          Love me, I'm a liberal
          
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            11 months ago

            Still doesn’t make any sense, maybe it’s something Republicans find is funny.

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              11 months ago

              it’s something Republicans don’t understand, actually. look up the song, maybe you’ll learn something.