The "Manifest V3" rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.

The “Manifest V3” rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.

  • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
    98·
    1 year ago

    Google’s sales pitch for Manifest V3 is that, by limiting extensions, the browser can be lighter on resources, and Google can protect your privacy from extension developers.

    Emphases mine. Funny, I use extensions to protect my privacy from Google.

    Chromium needs to be fully divested from Google. End of story. There’s too much conflict of interest in letting the world’s largest advertising company have this much control over one of the two major browsers. If you don’t see the problem with that, imagine if Taco Bell was also the world’s largest producer of anti-diarrhea medicine.

      • anlumo@feddit.de
        36·
        1 year ago

        As a web developer, Safari needs to either die in a fire or be transferred to a company that actually cares. It’s more than half a decade behind everybody else.

        • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
          20·
          1 year ago

          Tell me about it. Every time I implement some new thing in my app:

          Firefox/Chrome: You cast HTML5 video. Critical hit!

          Safari: Your spell fizzles…

          • abhibeckert@beehaw.org
            5·
            1 year ago

            … Safari added support for HTML5 video in 2009. Chrome did not even exist yet in 2009.

            In fact, Safari was the first to support it. At the time you had to use Flash to deliver video in every other browser.

            Firefox added a half assed implementation of the video tag shortly after Safari but it wasn’t fully supported until 2013 according to caniuse.com. In fact FireFox was the last browser to fully support HTML5 video.

            • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
              12·
              1 year ago

              Not looking to start a flame war here, but if that’s the case, then Apple’s had even longer to get it right. lol. I implemented my video containers using the MDN specs which worked for both FF and Chrom(e/ium) as-is. Had to read through Apple-specific specs to figure out why Safari wouldn’t render them (not autoplay but render at all).

              While it’s not quite “IE all over again”, it’s in the ballpark where I have to make special concessions to support a specific browser that is only offered on one company’s platform. History may not be repeating, but it’s certainly rhyming.

              • abhibeckert@beehaw.org
                7·
                1 year ago

                Ah - that’s got nothing to do with supported features. Apple has always been a major backer of web based video distribution - a lot of the tech (from video formats to delivery platforms like HTTP Live Streaming to the tag were partially or even fully invented by Apple.

                Your video wasn’t working because the by default Safari assumes (correctly) that most video on the web is an ad. Safari generally only tolerates text/image ads* and to get video to work, you need to make it clear to Safari that the video is a real video the user wants to see.

                Safari also silently blocks something like 99% of cookies… only cookies that behave like login/session/etc cookies are allowed. That’s a lot more problematic than blocking video… since there’s often just no way around it.

                (* even text/image ads are barely tolerated… as far as I know, Safari is the only major browser that includes explicit support for ad blockers - Chrome/FireFox/etc allow extensions to arbitrarily manipulate the page, but safari actually has an ad blocking API - though they call it “content blocking”).

          • anlumo@feddit.deEnglish
            4·
            1 year ago

            It also took 6 years longer than everybody else to support WebGL2, and it’s the only browser without a working WebGPU implementation. It also has no timeline for wasm-gc, while Chrome already ships with it default enabled and Firefox will ship with it on the next release.

            • abhibeckert@beehaw.org
              3·
              1 year ago

              It also has no timeline for wasm-gc

              Apple has been removing support for garbage collection from other technologies that used to support it. Wouldn’t be surprised if they never add support for that, they’ll tell you not to waste CPU cycles (and therefore, battery power) collecting garbage.

              They want you to figure out when memory should be deallocated at compile time, not run time.

        • davehtaylor@beehaw.org
          3·
          1 year ago

          Yeah, when testing my sites, on the desktop at least, I don’t even bother testing in Safari. It ends up with nothing but headaches and a bunch of kludges to make things work there. Reminds me of working with IE years ago. But at least with desktop Safari, it has such a small market share that ignoring it isn’t problematic.