For some time, I have been listening to a sector, supposedly on the left, say that they do not want European, U.S., Chinese, or Russian empires. And, to this, I reply that I don’t see the rel…
Do you know what would make Latin America safe against foreign interventions and coups: robust government and civil institutions with broad popular support. Blaming America for it’s history of interventions will do nothing to protect you from China doing the same thing. The only people who can build and protect the autonomy and liberty of Latin America are the Latin Americans themselves.
Background: my family was forced out of Nicaragua during the US intervention in the 1930s.
Your first-hand background is unfathomable, I have on’y seen this happen from the aggressors side for many moon’s. This being the case, I don’t think you give the reason for the international power showing up enough credit, which truly makes sense. Yet each US appearance aligns with coup’s in the area. While the US “enemy” in global power references the aggressive errors while demonstrating opposing rules of law which keep the locals in mind is a VASTLY different approach and outlook.
Do you think we haven’t tried doing this? Have you even read anything about Latinamerican history? How do you want us to do that if we get fascists regimes every 5 fucking years? How do you build anything if you are debt trapped? Don’t fucking come with some shit about China doing the same, they are sending fucking money for infrastructure, which is a lot fucking better that whatever the people you support have done, let us do how we please and go and be butthurt somewhere else that we choose to align with whomever we want. If you fuck us up don’t cry that you end up isolated in geopolitics.
The institutions with broad popular support, not neoliberal right wing pro us imperialism shit, support China, so yeah, don’t come telling me about what we should do. We have massive inflation because of International Mother Fuckers IMF and coups and right wing neoliberals financed by the US and you think we need some sort of thingy to protect us from China? We welcome them as our brothers with open arms.
First of all that reply is even more aggressive and not appropriate.
Second; Learning the hard way is one choice. Good luck to anyone who wants to align with China’s pseudofascism. Some day there’s help available.
Btw Europe has just made the same mistake of being too much dependent with Russia. That turned out just great and China and USA are just more of the same.
We don’t need your help, when you get rid of your imperialistic attitudes and your support for class oppression we can start the friendliness, until then, you are but a bunch of hypocrites.
You’re barking up the wrong tree. I am not neither of those and with such accusative behaviour you’re not portraying yourself or whoever you try to speak in behalf of well.
An excellent argument for building and protecting socialism in Latin America!
PS you should read up on how global financial coercion works. It’s a liberal myth that a country can simply build autonomy without reckoning with their place in the world order. Countries in LatAm are placed in the global south by that order and when they try to step out of it and have autonomy, the US and the global north generally step in to screw them over.
This is not ancient history, either. Everyone has either lived through it or has parents that did. When Venezuela nationalized oil, i.e. acted on its autonomy over its own resources, it was hit with blanket sanctions, the full press propaganda effort, and repeated coup attempts. When Bolivia began building autonomy around its resources, including Lithium, it suffered a nearly successful coup attempt wherein the global north rapidly fell in line behind the Christian fascist coup government.
Now watch Argentina get continuously screwed by the global financial system that extracts their wealth and then forces them to change their societies in order to receive loans - societal changes that further impoverish the people and wreck their governmental and “civil society” institutions.
Do you know what would make Latin America safe against foreign interventions and coups: robust government and civil institutions with broad popular support. Blaming America for it’s history of interventions will do nothing to protect you from China doing the same thing. The only people who can build and protect the autonomy and liberty of Latin America are the Latin Americans themselves.
Background: my family was forced out of Nicaragua during the US intervention in the 1930s.
Your first-hand background is unfathomable, I have on’y seen this happen from the aggressors side for many moon’s. This being the case, I don’t think you give the reason for the international power showing up enough credit, which truly makes sense. Yet each US appearance aligns with coup’s in the area. While the US “enemy” in global power references the aggressive errors while demonstrating opposing rules of law which keep the locals in mind is a VASTLY different approach and outlook.
Do you think we haven’t tried doing this? Have you even read anything about Latinamerican history? How do you want us to do that if we get fascists regimes every 5 fucking years? How do you build anything if you are debt trapped? Don’t fucking come with some shit about China doing the same, they are sending fucking money for infrastructure, which is a lot fucking better that whatever the people you support have done, let us do how we please and go and be butthurt somewhere else that we choose to align with whomever we want. If you fuck us up don’t cry that you end up isolated in geopolitics.
The institutions with broad popular support, not neoliberal right wing pro us imperialism shit, support China, so yeah, don’t come telling me about what we should do. We have massive inflation because of International Mother Fuckers IMF and coups and right wing neoliberals financed by the US and you think we need some sort of thingy to protect us from China? We welcome them as our brothers with open arms.
First of all that reply is even more aggressive and not appropriate.
Second; Learning the hard way is one choice. Good luck to anyone who wants to align with China’s pseudofascism. Some day there’s help available.
Btw Europe has just made the same mistake of being too much dependent with Russia. That turned out just great and China and USA are just more of the same.
We don’t need your help, when you get rid of your imperialistic attitudes and your support for class oppression we can start the friendliness, until then, you are but a bunch of hypocrites.
You’re barking up the wrong tree. I am not neither of those and with such accusative behaviour you’re not portraying yourself or whoever you try to speak in behalf of well.
An excellent argument for building and protecting socialism in Latin America!
PS you should read up on how global financial coercion works. It’s a liberal myth that a country can simply build autonomy without reckoning with their place in the world order. Countries in LatAm are placed in the global south by that order and when they try to step out of it and have autonomy, the US and the global north generally step in to screw them over.
This is not ancient history, either. Everyone has either lived through it or has parents that did. When Venezuela nationalized oil, i.e. acted on its autonomy over its own resources, it was hit with blanket sanctions, the full press propaganda effort, and repeated coup attempts. When Bolivia began building autonomy around its resources, including Lithium, it suffered a nearly successful coup attempt wherein the global north rapidly fell in line behind the Christian fascist coup government.
Now watch Argentina get continuously screwed by the global financial system that extracts their wealth and then forces them to change their societies in order to receive loans - societal changes that further impoverish the people and wreck their governmental and “civil society” institutions.