It should also say not every person has to be at their job at 9am plugging up the road for the same reason said teens are being dropped off by these parents.
These are just outdated practices left over from previous generations. No one even tries to change them at this point. It would be so refreshing to see these things start to make sense.
to get them used to being overworked amd underpaid ofcourse
You jest, but this was essentially the response one parent made when this subject was brought up in our school district.
the school system is basically based on producing factory workers during the industrializational. it is severely outdated and impractical.
our children are subjected to the very condtions that we adults are trying to avoid.
It’s not all bad. I don’t recall any of my teachers in high school scream cusses at me or telling me their bigoted opinions.
I can tell you my personal hypothesis as to why it happens in universities:
- Timetabling work 8–4
- Misery loves company
It has always been about work. It lines up with most morning shifts because no one can afford childcare.
Well when you realize we treat school as glorified babysitting and not just education, part of the reason becomes more obvious. Parents work 40 hours so we need kids in school roughly that length of time. Especially when both parents have to work to afford to live.
We need to uplift a lot about the entire system for it to work.
Also ppl are obsessed with high school sports so that’s another reason why they start high school so early (my high school started at 7:45 AM), so there’s time after for sports practice.
Because parents would then have to pay someone to babysit and then take their kids to school at the later time in addition to after school care. And why can’t parents go to work later? Same reason companies aren’t allowing work from home even though it’s proven that the majority of people are more productive. The managers need to justify their existence, so they have to have their employees all there at the same time. And for some reason society has decided that morning people are somehow better than everyone else.
Easy. School isn’t for school. It’s a daycare with its hours offset from the working day, skewing early so parents can get their kids there before work. Kids spend 2 hours on a bus and 7 hours in a classroom every day because both of their parents have to work.
Just wondering friends in Canada and EU - when do your teens start the class day? I don’t doubt this is yet another thing US education gets wrong but just wondering how better funded education systems are doing things.
The UK here. I think classes started for me just before 9 but the school would generally open a little after 8 so parents could drop their kids off.
It’s worth mentioning we have a semi functioning public transport system so for all schools in urban areas, teenagers are expected to use that to get to school.
Out in the country school buses are still a thing though.
UK - typically 9 - 3:30 for primary and 9-9:30 until 3 - 4 for secondary. I live on a street with 1 primary, 2 secondaries and a college, so they’ve gotten together and agreed to stagger things to cause less disruption during start and end times.
But we also have a public transport system and safe roads that means most kids walk/cycle/bus in.
Canada - 9
But depending how far away they are they could be up at 5
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Between 8:15 and 10am
Germany it’s 8 am
I’m pretty sure it just boils down to hatred of young people. “I had to get up early so you do too.”
Which is why I think we should amend the constitution to allow cruel and unusual punishments for people who utter the phrase “build a better world for our children.”
Support 1h nap before the actual classes.
Because school is entirely geared towards parents. Nothing about school is actually good for the people going through it, but the system doesn’t actually care about them, and isn’t designed to.
honestly abolish school. I can’t imagine subjecting my hypothetical child to what I went through.
I wouldn’t go so far as to abolish school completely, but things definitely need to change. Kids deserve so much better
Exactly my feeling. I wouldn’t put somebody I hate through that; why the fuck would I do it to someone I love?
A major concern has been busing. Even in normal times, districts use the same buses and drivers for students of all ages. They stagger start times to do that, with high schoolers arriving and leaving school earliest in the day. The idea is that they can handle being alone in the dark at a bus stop more readily than smaller children, and it also lets them get home first to help take care of younger siblings after school.
If high schools started as late as middle and elementary schools, that would likely mean strain on transportation resources. O’Connell said Nashville’s limited mass transit compounds the problem.
Are staggered start times common in America?
Every school district I’ve been in does this.
schools are largely daycare facilities for the low/middle income brackets.
I am like the only parent who is happy with their child’s school.
They cite one reason, busses, for the issue? With no mention of sports? Bad reporting.
Actual answer one heard that unfortunately makes sense: school sports after class. If you start classes later everything gets pushed back to obscene times.
Personally my high school started a half hour in grade 12. Just that made a world of difference.
that unfortunately makes sense: school sports after class
I disagree that it makes sense. Get the sports out of the school system entirely and have them be community-based or similar. I think that should apply that to most extracurriculars. I participated in sports, band, theatre, etc. so it’s not like I just hated it (I would argue that art, band, choir, gym, etc. are still good to have in the curricula of schools, just not the traditionally after-school part).
Sports are part of the reason many students even go to school. Taking athletics away from school would have a significant effect on dropout rates.
Teens are irresponsible, every time there’s a pilot program they just stay up later
Citation?
I am having trouble finding results on both sides
I did find on the for side that 9am is better than 8am but I’ve never known a place to start at 8am. On the for side the only empirical backing was that they need 8 hours of sleep but nothing saying that relates to start time
For what it’s worth, my high school started at 8 am. I was more asking if you had a source for the claim that teenagers would respond to the changes by staying up later. Also, here are a couple studies that suggest that later start times are beneficial: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/josh.12388, https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.aau6200.
