• filister@lemmy.world
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    No one defends Hamas here, but one Evel doesn’t give you the moral high ground to do an even bigger evil. I wonder in what world killing 1 civilian is condemned more than killing 10 civilians, destroying their homes, starving them and then telling everyone else oh but he killed this one person.

    Israel is supposed to be the side which should try to de-escalate, especially considering the military superiority they have. What we see is quite the opposite.

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        Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.

        Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.

        But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?

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          Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.

          Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that. I mean shit, Hamas said they didn’t do the 7th of October Massacres and then 24-hours later said that they did do it–not very reliable.

          Regardless, Israel has no obligation to supply the state that just attacked them with resources.

          Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.

          bruh i literally said that the numbers are changing often. If you want to argue that the casualties are way higher, feel free.

          But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?

          None, no innocents should die. On the day, Hamas should never have attacked Israel, and Israel should’ve listened to Egypt’s warnings.

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            On the other hand, if Israel had treated Palestinians respectfully the whole time, Hamas wouldn’t exist today. It is kind of naive to blame only one of the sides for this conflict. Plus, just looking at the numbers Israel had killed and injured historically way more Palestinians.

            They did so much wrong and I don’t see you condemning them about it. In a perfect world this would have not happened but it happened. You can check the human rights violations committed against Palestinians over time, Wikipedia, human rights reports, the UN, etc. but still Israel is playing the victim here, where they are literally the aggressor.

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              Israel has offered Palestine peace treaties, even willing to make Jerusalem, the capital of their government, into a neutral zone. West Bank was for that, but Hamas responded by launching another terrorist attack. I mean, we can go back further and further in history, saying, “Uhm actually this is who started it”, and we’d be all day until we’re arguing over cavemen.

              I don’t like Israel, if that’s what you want to hear.

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                Ah yes, that’s why Jerusalem is now their unofficial capital. And seriously if you truly believe Israel is not to blame here you are living in a parallel reality.

                Check Wikipedia or any other respecting human rights organisation what they think about the conflict and stop repeating your country’s propaganda.

                And even if it was all Hamas fault, the military wing is 30K only and you already killed more than 11K believe it or not and destroyed a good chunk of civilian infrastructure and residential buildings, forcibly displacing people, which accounts for war crimes, which by the way are well documented.

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                  Just so we’re on the right page, are we referring to the entire almost century-old conflict, or are we referring to the 2023 conflict?

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                    It benefits propagandists to try to arbitrarily reduce the scope of a topic so they can focus on framing things in a way that validates their position.

                    Conflict didn’t START in 2023. Any suggestion otherwise is either naive or manipulative. The conditions that gave rise to Hamas have existed for decades and the continuation of these conditions will keep this conflict going until one group of extremists gets their genocidal wish. Right now it looks like Likud and other extreme Zionists are the ones getting their genocide.

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        Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.

        This is actually false, and if you stopped to Google your claims before you posted a comment you would know that. It’s kinda silly that you posted incorrect info then asked someone replying to you for sources to back up their claims :)

        Israel Lowers Oct. 7 Death Toll Estimate to 1,200