In an effort to get more activity in this community, I’d like to start a discussion on how you evaluate which insurance plans to choose. Now, it is much simpler to do so when none of the plans you’re offered have HSA. With HSA plans and employer HSA contributions I found it’s actually quiet difficult to do all the math to figure out which plan will get you the most bang for your buck. The biggest thing you have to take into account is your expected annual healthcare expenses. Once you start taking into account things like pre-tax cost (premiums, HSA contributions) vs post-tax costs (your out of pocket post-tax expenses), your tax rate etc, you can get deep into a rabbit hole and find some surprising results.

I’m actually working on an Excel spreadsheet that allows me to compare up to 4 plans and tells me which plan is the most cost effective, depending on my annual expected OOP healthcare expenses. You input things like annual plan premiums, HSA employer contributions (if any), your HSA contributions (if any), plan’s out-of-pocket maximum (per person), plans out-of-pocket maximum (per family) and your tax bracket and the spreadsheet will spit out a chart telling you the relationship between your expected OOP annual expenses and the true cost you have to incur if you choose this plan. What surprised me the most is that the high deductible/high OOP-maximum HSA plan is actually the best/the most cost effective plan in basically any situation, especially if I max out my HSA contributions (this may not be true in your case, you have to run the numbers yourself). The reason for this is that while the regular PPO plans have lower OOP max, I would pay a lot more in premiums for them, which is a hidden cost a lot of people don’t consider. Also, the OOP expenses in PPO plans are all post-tax, while I get to pay my OOP expenses with pre-tax dollars if I choose an HSA plan, which matters a lot.

If anyone is interested, I’d be happy to share my spreadsheet to test it more and make sure I’m not missing anything important. Feel free to share your strategy as well if you recently had to make a choice between several plans, what plan you chose and what guided you to that decision.

  • lemming007@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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    1 year ago

    This only works if you do not spend any of your HSA funds and instead invest them, paying for healthcare with post tax money.

    In the ideal world, if I knew exactly when I’m going to die and how much I’m going to need to spend for healthcare every year - yes, I would totally do this to maximize the effectiveness of HSA.

    However I don’t live in that world. It’s no use to me to spend my hard-earned post tax money and die having 100k in my HSA account. Maybe if I was making 200k+ a year to have enough to max out all tax-advantaged accounts AND cover medical expenses with post-tax dollars, sure, I would do it.

    That’s why I spend my HSA money for medical expenses now. I’ve done the math and doing this it’s still costing me less than a PPO plan.

    I think a better approach is to assume your costs can be anywhere from 0 to the max OOP and see how the numbers work out for different scenarios. Then you can make a decision based on financial (not health) risk tolerance

    That’s exactly what I’m doing with the help of my spreadsheet.

    • L_EnferCestLesAutres@beehaw.orgEnglish
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      1 year ago

      You probably are already aware of this but just in case:

      • once you’re 65 you can withdraw from the HSA as if it was an IRA with no penalty.
      • you can reimburse yourself for past medical expenses, presumably even 30 years in the past if you kept your receipts
      • lemming007@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Yeah, I’m aware. I just don’t trust myself to a) love that long and b) keep my receipts for that long.