Y’all are fucking clowns for defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
It’s pretty obvious that you’re just fascist. It’s going full circle in here.
Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡
and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
I’ll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn’t convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don’t want to fight, and it’s Zelensky’s regime (with West’s support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
It’s also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can’t leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?
Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.
You see, I’ve tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky’s fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)
It’s horrible that Ukrainians and Russians are getting forced in to a war that neither wanted to participate in. I hate wars and I would have preferred to see everyone live in peace. But reality is not like that.
Putin is trying to take your homeland and you’re doing nothing to prevent it. You’re not even in your own country… I find it pretty rich that condemn Putin and his actions while also being okey with it happening as long as no one has to fight for Ukraine.
Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there? I would defend my homeland til I die if it meant my country would remain a democracy and be free dictators and fascists.
nice hasbara
mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants…FROM THE CIA? that’s fucking insane. Here’s what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.
edit: Also Russia doesn’t target civilians. There’s a thing that’s commonly used by the US and Israel called atrocity propaganda. Look it up. Russia is taking casualties but it’s not that much. It’s approximately 1 death to 20-30 Ukranian deaths ATM.
Some people dug too deep into the reality tunnel, any common sense has been left far behind.
Obvious reality check: Ukraine has some nazies. Also
a) they’re not their top problem. That being, you know, invasion and occupation by an authoritarian dictatorship.
b) point me at the country that hasn’t. What, you want China to invade Germany because AfD has 30% in some provinces? Let people sort their shit before you call for a foreign boot ffs.
(Not even touching the fact that the only reason Russia isnt seig heil’ing right this second, is that little Pu is afraid of any popular movements, including fascism. But it’ll get there, give it a couple years and/or heart strokes)
Dude. We (the US) couped Ukraine in 2014. They’ve been killing tens of thousands of their own Russian-speaking civilians in the two independent republics. We have created THEIR CIA (SBU) and they perform acts of terrorism on Russia, at least try to, on at LEAST a monthly basis. Denazification means elimination of Banderaist factions in the gov who can essentially tell their president what to do backed by threats of violence.
Hey man, don’t engage with old mate. He’s a full blown tankie and posts pro Russian propaganda every day
Ah yes, those US/UK/European/Ukrainian news media with their Russian propaganda… Damn Russian propaganda, nothing is safe from it :(
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
Just to clarify: do you suggest to murder everyone who was forced to get onto the battlefield, or do you mean Putin does this to them?
Y’all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.
Lmao, I am not the one defending a fascist dictator and his regime trying to take over a foreign country, sending their men to a certain death 🤣 get your head out of your ass you clown 🤡🤡🤡
Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?
I do because it was yesterday.
@yogthos @TheOubliette that’s a symptom of supporting “the next thing” that the propaganda machine tells you 🤣
soon the libs will be explaining to us how the war with Iran is the war we all needed
Workers, hearken, they are going to war
And they yell: “For nation and race!”
This war is the rulers of the world’s
Against the working classes!
Hanns Eisler in “Der Heimliche Aufmarsch”
(works for both sides ngl)
Itt liberals reveal that their is no depth of casual fascist bloodthirst they won’t plumb. Pretending to care about Ukranians while they cheer for them getting rounded up and used as meatshields in a lost war.
The western supremacists are willing to sacrifice every Ukranian civilian, to push NATO east.
I think that most is against poor Russians dying in the same way, in the same lost war
their casualty ratio is very low, ranging from 10:1 to 20:1. also they have enough volunteers atm where they don’t need to force people to fight.
Exactly, the only reasonable and humane position is to end the bloodshed with diplomacy immediately
lol no they aren’t; they spent the last year calling Russians orcs and celebrating their deaths; don’t give libs the benefit of the doubt; they’re warping into modern day Nazis.
They applauded an SS veteran!
Bruh when it came out he was an SS veteran, for that first week they tried to make it seem like no big deal; I’m not gonna forget that!
Holy shit I let myself forget that fucken hell
Huh that’s gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.
Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from “kill ruZZian orcs” to “we never supported that war” or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.
It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
It’s not one or the other.
Ukraine lost its sovereignity in 2014. Nuland was even handpicking their govt, you don’t get less sovereign.
It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
You can always go volunteer
No! Two things are never allowed to be true at the same time!
Every man who gets away stays alive to rebuild later. Every man who gets caught extends the war and dies for nothing.
It’s super hard to get away now…
Zelensky’s regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).
And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$… For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we’ve never seen in a lifetime.
we had to use coyotes when we left mexico for the united states and that experience has left my entire family in desperate need of psychological counseling for the last 5 decades.
my heart breaks for the people who have to do something similar.
Use coyotes?
it’s the american and mexican nickname for people who smuggle people across the border for money.
coyotes usually learn their craft by being part of the drug cartels; so the people who pay the money are also commonly kidnapped by the coyotes for ransom money from the family and they’re killed if the family doesn’t pay.
children are especially lucrative for them; ask me how i know.
Jesus christ, I should have guessed. I thought you somehow took used coyotes(the animeal) to cross the border and was honestly curious as to how. I hope everything ended up okay for y’all, sorry you had to experience that.
i’ve been getting the help i need thanks to believing in medical science and psychology.
my older family members and my science denying family members are the ones who need the sympathy because they will never seek the help they need and/or continue to put their faith into their orange jesus or a bottle to make themselves feel better.
There’s still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what’s happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn’t had electricity or water for a year now.
Russia isn’t targeting civilians. Also in Ukraine they draft poor people to die
The genocide of palestinians is no war
That’s not a war though, it’s a genocide
Every now and then people like to conflate the Gaza situation with the Ukrainian one. Both are very unfortunate and sad, but one is waaaay worse.
@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
You’re finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?
They were trying to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Russians in the independent republics. Also stop the continual acts of terrorism coming from the CIA controlled SBU (there’s a NYT article about this subject FYI)
do you admit ukrainian shelling of the breakaway republics was mass murder? or do they not count bc they speak the wrong language?
I’m talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
Isn’t umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?
Let’s not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it’s problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.
Weird way to justify people being forced to fight into something they clearly don’t believe in or have any interest defending.
Sadly law isn’t arbitrary
law has nothing to do with morality
That’s wildly incorrect lol
@yogthos For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.
This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.
Sadly, the American stance “we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian” is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.
I think Israel is the only entity that is doing basically everything possible to kick-start WWIII. As the Ukraine/Russia stuff is mostly being contained to Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and parts of Russia. But Israel is openly starting new fronts in Palestine and Lebanon. Along with attacking Iran, Syria, and Yemen. And they are most certainly the most likely entity to be the next government to use nukes in war. The doctrine of kill everyone to not allow capture is far more scary than what has been going on in Ukraine.
Not to say that the forced conscription and arrests of draft aged (or even physically able) men isn’t fucked (it very much is). But even the neo-Nazis in command of Ukrainian forces aren’t taking that level of official doctrine of death to their own side. Their doctrine is more “you fight or die” (but not "we will also kill you if you are caught by the enemy) which isn’t exactly “shocking” if a nation is on an actual defense from inside their borders. Israel is invading other nations and acting at more of an ISIS level of fucked up while yelling about how they are “just defending ourselves.”
Ukraine isn’t defending shit. They murdered tens of thousands in the independent republics and continue to this day shell that land that MSM says they are “defending”.
Seriously, wish all these people would just sign up for the foreign legion and put their money where their mouth is.
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ITT people that claim they hate trump have the same opinion on one of the biggest political issues for the same reason, they love Russian expansion.
Behold the incredible depths of liberal analysis.
Understanding so shallow you need Low-angle X-ray Diffraction to quantify it
Ok, but like realistically what do you think the outcome in this war is? Do you think there is a realistic path forwards in which Ukraine beats Russia?
If your answer to that is yes, then I don’t know what to say to you. Ukraine is getting overrun by material and people from its much larger opponent. The only way to tip that balance is the rest of nato going hot(er) and joining the war and then we have ww3 - which I hardly need to point out the devastating consequences of for the whole world.
If your answer to that is no, then what does conscription of men and the continuation of the war achieve? Other than greater suffering, death and destruction. How can that be good? I don’t want Russia to win per-say, this is a brutal war between two reactionary powers. But I do wish for all the civilians in the affected area that the war stops, so their children will stop being killed in the collateral and they can stop sacrificing their sons and fathers to the meat grinder. It is clear that Ukraine isn’t winning so the path to peace is Russia wins.
Russia winning is the most good realistic outcome.
Liberals don’t understand words, only tone example 900028261
Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.
And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians…
I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky’s regime now… He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause…
That’s one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, way of living and freedom. But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.
Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.
Edited to way of living to help the literally ones
bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom
How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn’t be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren’t Ukrainians defending that part of the country?
If you’re not ready to protect life and freedom by getting blown up within a week of arriving at the front in an unwinnable war you’re a bad person.
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You’re a living meme lmao
Who mentioned Korea?
I did
