More dataisdepressing than dataisbeautiful

  • puntyyoke@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    A few folks have mentioned that these charts

    1. conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
    2. does not include people who do not identify with one of those dominant parties
    3. have some somewhat unreliable stats magic behind them

    A lot of young men in the US are reporting themselves as “not a Democrat or Republican”, and that’s causing a lot of this proportional shift. I would bet that characterizes a lot of folks on this site who are not conservative.

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/13/24098780/politics-gender-divide-generation-z-youth-men-women

    https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2024/01/28/is-the-ideology-gap-growing/

    • trainsaresexy@lemmy.world
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      11 minutes ago

      I wish more people would read Jane Jacob’s system of survival since I think it’s a good breakdown of liberal/conservative. It’s also an excellent book that’s not that long and easy to read.

      Liberals are A conservatives are B. Society needs both. Neither are inherently bad, it’s probably more that humans/life/society is cruel by nature.

      Moral Syndrome A       Moral Syndrome B
      shun force       shun trading
      voluntary agreement       exert prowess
      be honest       be obedient and disciplined
      collaborate       adhere to tradition
      compete       respect hierarchy
      respect contracts       be loyal
      use initiative and enterprise       take vengeance
      open to inventiveness and novelty       deceive for the sake of the task
      be efficient       make rich use of leisure
      promote comfort and convenience       be ostentatious
      dissent for the sake of the task       dispense largesse
      invest for productive purposes       be exclusive
      be industrious       show fortitude
      be thrifty       be fatalistic
      be optimistic       treasure honor
      
      • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
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        3 minutes ago

        This is your brain on idealism, just pure vibes. Political astrology.

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      2 hours ago

      Exactly. I would be almost as upset with being classified as a liberal or a Democrat as I would be a conservative.

      • kautau@lemmy.world
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        58 minutes ago

        At the same time I know many people (my brother included) that claim to be “independent” because they think that the trump camp is somehow outside the conservative camp, and therefore respond “independent” on polls. Because they think “I’m not democrat or conservative, I just want to drain the swamp” and then support trump, who is literally a swamp.