• blady_blah@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    Honestly, the real question to me is how many innocent people were maimed, injured, or killed in this attack. This is incredibly indiscriminate, even though the idea is that only the bad guys are holding the pages or walkie-talkies, but if they’re in a cafe they’re not the only ones getting hurt. Think of it as attaching an explosive to a thousand Hezbollah people, and then exploding them as they wander through a city. That’s the true crime, the potentially disproportionate massacre of innocent civilians.

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      14 days ago

      Honestly, the real question to me is how many innocent people were maimed, injured, or killed in this attack.

      Quite a bit fewer than 0.1% of the individual detonations appear to have harmed anyone except the Hezbollah operative assigned to the pager, so this doesn’t actually appear to be a question. The attack was extremely discriminate and targeted.

      but if they’re in a cafe they’re not the only ones getting hurt.

      In every case in which one of these went off in a cafe, the intended target was the only one hurt.

      That’s the true crime, the potentially disproportionate massacre of innocent civilians.

      But that isn’t what happened. The opposite happened.

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              14 days ago

              Hezbollah publicly announces their war casualties so they’re the source

              I don’t know how to explain that any more clearly. If you’re still puzzled, I recommend asking a question instead of posting a single word

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                14 days ago

                They are asking for the source of your statement that less then 0.1% of the victims where valid targets. Since most have seen evidence to the exact opposite of that statement.

                Oh and although I can put links to back that statement up, I will not. (Since that is the presiding fashion here apparently)

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                  14 days ago

                  They are asking for the source of your statement that less then 0.1% of the victims where valid targets

                  Hezbollah is the source. That’s three times I’ve said so. What about that is still unclear?

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                    14 days ago

                    The same Hezbollah that claim this was an “act of war” and in nothing I can find give any indication of non Hezbollah casualties? Once again I can link the translated statement from Hezbollah to support this, but since you for some reason will not neither will I.

                    Oh and to show this is not a lack of effort by myself here is a link to the information on Vitamin D toxicity

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        14 days ago

        Several of the victims were children. They went off in crowds. There was no way they could control that many devices with precision when they set them off all at once like that.

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          14 days ago

          Several of the victims were children.

          The fathers of these dead children will simply have to live with the terrible consequences of their involvement with antisemitic terror (who are we kidding, they don’t care.)

          They went off in crowds.

          In every such case only the agent was harmed. You’re proving how targeted the attack was.

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            14 days ago

            That particular pager was in a bag, against a person, pointed away from anyone or anything else. Not to mention anything of the second attack, which used much larger charges and started fires and blew out windows across Lebanon.

            And anyway, a single example isn’t going to assuage anyone who has been reading reports of women and children dying from the attack.

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              14 days ago

              They’re also ignoring the literal terror being experienced by civilians who witnessed people’s legs and faces being blown off in public.

              That’s terrorism.

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              14 days ago

              That particular pager was in a bag, against a person, pointed away from anyone or anything else.

              Where else would you carry a pager? You have to feel it when it vibrates.

              Not to mention anything of the second attack, which used much larger charges and started fires and blew out windows across Lebanon.

              Well, I’m sorry to hear that Lebanon’s glazers just got several months of guaranteed work, I guess, but I’m otherwise not sure why this is relevant.

              And anyway, a single example isn’t going to assuage anyone who has been reading reports of women and children dying from the attack.

              What reports?

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            14 days ago

            The mental gymnastics people will do to defend literal state sponsored terrorism.

            And don’t waste your time, I actually know what those words mean.

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              14 days ago

              Yes, it’s pretty shocking how people have come out in support of an Iranian-funded terrorist group that has killed women, children, and a hundred Americans