• helenslunch@feddit.nl
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    5 months ago

    Taking away people’s choice to make an informed decision for themselves

    These are children we’re talking about. We don’t allow them to make decisions for themselves, informed or otherwise, for lots of things. Parents often cannot be trusted to make the right decisions for their children either.

    not a government making medical decisions for all people while being ignorant of their situation.

    We also don’t let doctors make many medical decisions. The medical industry is incredibly-highly regulated, regardless of what region we’re talking about. Doctors and hospitals care about money more than anything, like most humans. They will do whatever you want for the right price.

    The government makes rules to protect its’ citizens from harm. You can argue that they made the wrong decision, but to argue that they shouldn’t be allowed to make any decisions is nothing short of anarchy.

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        Hospitals and doctors are pretty universally part of the National Health Service, it’s not really about money.

        Hospitals and doctors in the UK are all volunteers?

        I’m also 100% in favour of anarchy though so I don’t know if there’s any point in discussing anything further with you.

        Well that’s something we can agree on.

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      As an anarchist, yeah that’d pretty much be anarchy.

      We couldn’t have people make decisions for themselves I guess! We have to make sure those rich elites in control of the government are there to protect us from our total stupidity. /s

      Of course there need to be regulations. The procedure needs to be tested to be safe on humans (which it has, to a higher degree than many other medicines), and the parents/guardians would need to reach a decision with their child and with a licensed medical professional.

      Government officials aren’t licensed medical professionals. They shouldn’t be making that decision. They should lay out the groundwork for licensing and medical testing and leave the actual results and decisions to the professionals and the patients.

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        We couldn’t have people make decisions for themselves I guess

        Some people, sure. Lots of people, absolutely not.

        We have to make sure those rich elites

        LOL that’s rich. How do you think those people became rich elites? By taking advantage of people who make poor decisions.

        Of course there need to be regulations.

        I’m getting A LOT of mixed signals here… You’re an anarchist, in favor of regulations? How does that work?

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            The wealthy elite get their position through violence and exploitation

            Yes, exactly, exploiting people’s poor decisions. Like predatory loans.

            this reminds me of that “why don’t homeless people just buy a house” kind of attitude.

            You are intentionally taking away the wrong message.

            Anarchists are all about rules and regulations

            …what? LOL that’s the polar opposite of anarchy…

            I’d encourage you to seek out and read more about it.

            Oh ok sure, let me do that:

            anarchy noun an·ar·chy ˈa-nər-kē -ˌnär-

            1a: absence of government

            b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority

            c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

            2a: absence or denial of any authority or established order

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                Predatory loans is a great example

                Yes it is.

                they’re not taken out because people have bad decision making ability but because they’re left with no other choices.

                Bruh have you forgotten about the global recession of 2006? There were people that had 4 and 5 houses.

                You’ve never heard of the auto loan scams?

                Never heard of the mobile home scams?

                None of those situations are improved by people taking out loans they know they can’t afford.

                Quoting the dictionary isn’t how you learn about things!

                So…how am I supposed to learn, exactly? You’re going to tell me? Wikipedia says something similar. If there’s another definition, that’s not the one I was referring to. But you knew that, didn’t you?

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                    Have they considered renaming the movement? It’s a bit like “believe all women” or “anti-work”. You’re shooting yourself in the foot by using words with concrete definitions that don’t mean what you’re trying to convey.

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          Anarchism is not what you believe it to be. The Wikipedia page honestly isn’t too bad for it:

          Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is against all forms of authority and seeks to abolish the institutions it claims maintain unnecessary coercion and hierarchy, typically including the state and capitalism. Anarchism advocates for the replacement of the state with stateless societies and voluntary free associations. As a historically left-wing movement, this reading of anarchism is placed on the farthest left of the political spectrum, usually described as the libertarian wing of the socialist movement (libertarian socialism).

          Generally anarchists want regulations to protect people from being preyed upon. It doesn’t want people telling them how to live their lives. People should have the liberty to choose how to live for themselves, as long as it doesn’t negatively impact others. No one should have the power to control another person’s life. We need to have regulations that protect people and to keep things ordered, but we don’t need anybody ruling over others.

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              Some definitions, sure. Not all of them. Not lawlessness and chaos, which is how it’s normally portrayed in the media. Ordered liberty without hierarchy is what it is.

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                    Your definition doesn’t sound like something with lots of rules…

                    Not sure why you’re so obsessed with the dictionary.

                    You mean the thing that establishes a common understanding of the meaning of words? Seems pretty important to me 🤷

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                  The Wikipedia page seems to be generally correct. It’s a pretty broad political spectrum though with a reasonably long history. Some anarchists disagree with each other (as people in any group do) so there isn’t a perfect definition. The synopsis of the wiki is probably as good as you’ll get without reading the literature. Proudhon is probably the most famous anarchist, if you want to read up on his works.