• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    And if I offered to buy the Brooklyn Bridge for a dollar, I’ve made an offer on it…

    Just not a serious offer that has any chance of being accepted.

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      Clearly you didn’t read the article. Your opinions are consistently baseless.

      The first phase would last six weeks, and includes “a full and complete cease-fire and withdrawal” of Israeli forces from all populated areas of Gaza, the release of a number of hostages, including women, the elderly, and the wounded in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

      It’s the most fair agreement I’ve seen yet. There’s a decent chance of acceptance.

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          A ceasefire and end of war are not the same. The point of a ceasefire is to negotiate the end of war. Open and documented discussion will bring transparency to the agenda of each side. Israel cannot request expansion with the sanctions Biden restored on Palestinian territory. Israel will be forced to form agreements within international law or they’ll provide Biden with documented justification for amendment of support.

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            Biden isn’t going to force anything. He will force himself on his knees to suck Benzion Mileikowski off.

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                  What do you mean by forcing himself on his knees to suck the other guy off? It comes across as a subservience thing that sucking dick makes someone lesser.

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                    Them both being men is not relevant here. The saying works for women as well so homophobia goes out of the window. It was usually used for women to begin with so we’re inclusive now.

                    It symbolizes someone being forced into obedience. You could argue it’s prostitute shaming but homophobia is not related to the insult.

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        It’s only 6 weeks. It’s hard to justify killing prisoners, returning them to the killing fields brings opportunities. Don’t talk about “fair”, it’s a 6 weeks break in the genocide so they can continue bombings later without a chance of hitting their own held hostage there. A “fair” deal would be a 6 months ceasefire which would include 6 months of further negotiations to completely end the violence. 6 weeks is just an opportunity to rearrange and repair their army and airforce for the second destructive wave. There is no “fair” when one side consists of terrorist fighters among millions of civilians and the other side consists of fascists wanting to wipe them out completely. There is no right, only wrong and mass amounts of innocent victims.

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          Read the article. The first phase is the six-weeks, as I quoted above. These are the second and third phases.

          In Phase 2, would include the release of all remaining living hostages, including male soldiers in exchange for a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. As long as Hamas lives up to its commitments, the temporary cease-fire would become “the cessation of hostilities permanently,” Biden said.

          During the six weeks of Phase 1, Israel and Hamas would negotiate the necessary arrangements to get to Phase 2 − a permanent end to hostilities.

          “There are a number of details to negotiate to move from Phase 1 to Phase 2,” Biden said.

          The proposal also indicates that if the negotiations take longer than six weeks, the cease-fire would continue as long as negotiations do.

          Phase 3 would include a major reconstruction plan for Gaza, and the bodies of any of other hostages killed in captivity would be returned to their families.

          The point is stopping attacks, returning hostages, and bringing Israel and Hamas to the table for negotiations.

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            Yeah, sure is what Biden wants. Not what Bibi wants though. We’ve seen his true colors. “Bring them to the negotiation table” is the goal. Israel will have insane demands, Hamas will tell them to go fuck themselves, Israel has another reason to move back in. This shit happened between Russia and Ukraine too. They negotiated. It ended in continuation of the war.

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              Right, but rather than hashing it out with munitions, this will bring full transparency on paper to the ones acting in bad faith. If Israel fails negotiations for anything other than hostage return, like claiming land for expansion, Biden will have documented justification for amendment of munitions contracts.

              Biden already restored the sanctions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory that Trump repealed in 2019. Expansion is not in the table in negotiations, even if it’s the outspoken goal of Israel’s far-right.

              https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-administration-restores-u-s-policy-calling-israeli-settlements-illegitimate-under-international-law

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                Gaza land has already been sold to Jewish companies for development. Israel has done many things already which are considered unlawful, war crimes, crimes against humanity. They refused to honer the international court of justice order to seize attacks. Israel does what they want. They bombed an embassy, they responded to Iran’s reply to that bombing with mombing Iran, even though Biden explicitly told them not to.

                The Israeli government does what they want, which includes continuing the conflict to uphold their war government otherwise it will fall as their support is extremely low.

                The west is trying to stesr Israel away from further escalation but at the same time the west is searching for reasons to justify to continue weapon deliveries to Israel. The conflict is a large part of the middle east. Even though Israel is comparable to nazi Germany right now, stop supporting them will support Iran and it’s allies which is even worse. But I don’t know how anyone responsible for these war crimes, or choosing to support these crimes can sleep at night. And if they can, they really need psychiatric help, next to being held accountable for their actions in court. But I doubt any of that would happen.

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                  Do you have a source on the Israeli developments since Biden restored sanctions?

                  Biden can make recommendations, and Netanyahu can dismiss them. The only way for POTUS to justify amending existing munitions agreements against the recommendation of Congress, is with State Department verification of breach of international law. The point of this ceasefire is to force negotiations within international law.

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                    That was… Februari, something like that right? In April Israel fired a missile on the Iranian embassy in Syria. Iran said they had to respond, they did, they announced it, they stopped after one wave of missiles. Israel wanted to fire on Iran. Biden said “don’t”. Israel did it anyway. They continued bombings of hospitals, refugee camps, schools, civilian buildings without warning. Israelis raid aid convoys heading towards refugees. What source would like like to have? This has all been widely reported on in the media. Whenever you’ve missed any of this you’ve been living under a stone. Did you get the memo about the court order to stop all military offensive actions immediately, by the International Court of Justice? Did they stop? No, instead they offer a 6 week ceasefire deal and thereby put all responsibilities with their opponents to honor the order. If not accepted, they continue their offensive. “We offered a deal, they did not accept, our hands are tied, bombs must be dropped.” This is a classic move. Like all their moves have been. Anything to justify to continue their goals. No matter how morally (and lawfully) wrong. Like a few days ago, bombing a refugee camp, again. Only after the intense international outrage Bibi changed his statement from “terrorists!” to “oopsie”.

                    Biden administration approved more weapon shipments to Israel in March and May. After war crimes and crimes against humanity have been confirmed.

                    So, what sources would you like? I’m a military OSINT analyst, sure I can do it for you. But in this case it isn’t rocket science, both left and right wing media have loads of articles about the developments. Or check Ground news, they show bias with each source covering a topic. Bellingcat has some interesting articles too. I’m sure you can find loads of info.

                    But the military aid packages are officially stated by the US government, the destruction of the embassy and attack on Iran are proven facts, as well as cutting off Gaza from food/water/electricity, bombing civilian houses without warning, bombing hospitals, invading hospitals, cutting off power of hospitals, bombing of refugee camps, attacking aid workers and aid transports, killing press, killing thousands of civilians, leveling entire city blocks, torturing prisoners. Please tell me, which one of those isn’t a war crime?