Should the Fediverse welcome its new surveillance-capitalism overlords? Opinions differ!
https://privacy.thenexus.today/should-the-fediverse-welcome-surveillance-capitalism/
Contents:
- Two views of the fediverse
- The case for “Trust but verify”
- Wait a second. Why should anybody trust Facebook, Instagram, or Meta?
- Why the Anti-Meta FediPact is good strategy
- We’re here, we’re queer, fuck Facebook
- A few words about digital colonialism
- Now’s a good time for instance admins to discuss with their communities
- In chaos there is opportunity!
@fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social #fediverse #Meta #FediPact
@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social Meta and all its products are pretty much everything that the fediverse is not.
The fediverse :
- does not make money off of its users
- does not exploit its users
- does not discriminate
- does not tolerate hate, violence or abuse.
- does not moderate immorallyWe are not aligned with Meta and their predatory practices. Therefore I think it’s completely valid and critical to defederate them.
@Kryostar @thenexusofprivacy @fediverse Is meta trying to make inroads into the fediverse? Please let me know so I can stomp down hard on that shit.
@Kryostar @thenexusofprivacy @fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social
If you’re not on a Meta instance, then let users on such an instance care about themselves.
If your instance is affected by discrimination, hate, violence, abuse, immoral moderation due to how another instance is run, then that instance can be defederated soon enough, just like now. No need to do that pre-emptively because an instance is run by Meta or by whomever.
@sibrosan Or, if an instance that’s about to launch has a long history of discrimination, hate, violance, abuse, and contributions to genocide, you can announce your intention to defederate from them even before they launch.
Like I said in the post, opinions differ!
@thenexusofprivacy @Kryostar @fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social
“you can announce your intention to defederate from them even before they launch.”
I would want my instance to abide by its stated server rules, without exceptions either way. That may mean defederation of an instance if it doesn’t ensure my instance’s users are protected from transgressions by its users, but not defederation because of an expectation it won’t. In case it proves necessary, defederation can be effected quickly enough.
@sibrosan Like I say, opinions differ.
Why do you think so many trans and queer people – who are very likely to be directly impacted by transgressions of the rules – come to a different conclusion and advocate preemptively blocking?
See the “We’re here, we’re queer” section of https://privacy.thenexus.today/should-the-fediverse-welcome-surveillance-capitalism/#were-here-were-queer for more on that perspective.
@thenexusofprivacy @Kryostar @fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social
“Like I say, opinions differ”
Apparently. I prefer unbiased application of the server rules my instance advertises, as I based my decision to join it on those.
Other Mastodon users may prefer a certain bias, that’s all right too.
@sibrosan The server rules on your server explicitly prohibit transphobia.
So why do you see enforcing the rules by not federating with another server that’s got a long history of transphobia as “bias”?
@thenexusofprivacy @Kryostar @fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social
> So why do you see enforcing the rules by not federating with another server that’s got a long history of transphobia as “bias” <
IMO the rules should be enforced when they get broken, not preemptively due to an expectation they would.
No Meta server exists that uses ActivityPub, so if they set up one, it won’t have a “long history of transphobia”.
And when that server turns out to not behave, it can be defederated quickly enough.
I have to wonder how the people that are okay with this would feel if u/Spez announced that he was starting a lemmy instance to federate “his” content.
I have to wonder how the people that are okay with this would feel if u/Spez announced that he was starting a lemmy instance to federate “his” content.
Considering that this would literally mean a 180° turn in the API issue, that would be welcome.
Why do we care if Meta and other’s use the fediverse? Just more content for us and we can block them if they don’t play nice?
“We need to make room for misinformation on our platforms otherwise we won’t have mass appeal. A lot of people love to scapegoat populations who can’t effectively defend themselves, and leaving them out just because they’re contributing to creeping fascism and multiple ongoing genocides is just petty.”
I will never participate in an instance which is federated with Meta or any other profit-driven instance. If profit is more important than responsibility and safety, then irresponsibility and danger can be the only consequence.
@Kwakigra @thenexusofprivacy other than existing in a walled-off server how can you stop them? There will inevitably be contact from second and third hand interactions, no?
I live around it. I know plenty of people who aren’t all the way in the deep end but could eventually go all the way into the deep end. What really helps them not make that final leap is that there is an extremely well deserved stigma against Nazi ideology, the most notorious strain of fascism. There is a gradient and there are plenty of secondary believers whose minds are primed to support a strongman on the elimination of all the bad people keeping society down but would use nicer words to describe it, but tertiary believers who have just been immersed in a deluge of contradictory information can be reasoned with. On this instance at least there is not a lot of tolerance for appeals to popular prejudices which may work out in a general crowd where there isn’t a sufficient challenge to it.
All will be joining the fediverse so we need to give our selves the moderation tools we need to manage this.
@thenexusofprivacy @fediverse@lemmy.ml @fediverse@kbin.social I can’t see how anyone can stop Meta. They will do what they want with their *tens of millions* of insta accounts that will immediately take over. Other than existing in a walled-off server I can’t see what can be done to stop them.
their tens of millions of insta accounts that will immediately take over.
Take over what? Just because Lemmy and Mastodon both use the ActivityPub protocol, doesn’t mean that those two work the same. It’s not like Instagram posts will just show up in Lemmy communities. Yes, I’m aware that Lemmy and Mastodon can interact but you have to look up the post or person to interact with.
I really don’t get why if you want to communicate with people on facebook and instagram you need to do it from the fediverse, why don’t you do it on Facebook and Instagram already today?
