Seems like they are under attack again, will those people never stop? I feel sorry for the admin team.

  • LaughingM0n@lemmyhub.comEnglish
    149·
    1 year ago

    This is why we need users to spread to more servers and create communities in them. If lemmy.world goes down that shouldn’t result in half of lemmyhub disappearing.

    • fraydabson@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      35·
      1 year ago

      Yes! I tried with a niche topic like fallout but can’t get people to move over from the Lemmy world community.

          • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.eeEnglish
            14·
            1 year ago

            Right… I guess for me I’m not sure it’s all that productive to start multiple communities on the same topic? I dunno, maybe it’s good. If I’m looking for something specific, like, say turntables, and I search lemmy for a turntable community, I’m not sure it’d be a good thing to find 3-4 different lemmy communities on the topic. Perhaps I’m just thinking in older, outdated, reddit kind of thinking though.

            • fraydabson@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              4·
              1 year ago

              Yeah I get it. My goal was since the Lemmy world community was pretty inactive if I can post more to encourage activity on mine I can make mine more active and the defacto community which helps get people off of Lemmy world.

              If it were a community that is highly active on Lemmy world then I understand it doesn’t seem productive to re create active communities.

              I have heard other people voice opinions that having multiple of the same communities over different instances is a good thing with how Lemmy works. I do wish we had a federated community so as people make more communities on different instances it more merges them into one so if one instance goes down the others are still keeping the community alive. But idk if that’s possible or on the Lemmy roadmap.

    • June@lemm.eeEnglish
      25·
      1 year ago

      I’m more of a commenter and less of a poster, but I moved away from world as my primary instance last week. Part to spread the load, part to just be able to browse.

    • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      Commenting on your comment not because I expect you to have them or anything, it’s just the top comment so hopefully someone sees this. I know there’s a handful of links out there to browse instances. Are there any that can see who’s defederated with who/ which instances are federated with the most instances? I had another account on a .ml domain instance but they got purged with a bunch of others a couple of weeks ago. I use my lemmy.world account because it has the most-ish reach for finding new communities and whatnot

      • LaughingM0n@lemmyhub.comEnglish
        41·
        1 year ago

        Currently no, there isn’t a way to see that granular of detail. On my instance I have details about any defederated (blocked) instances. Currently there are none.

        But there are pros and cons of joining smaller server. Since mine is small we don’t see a large list of communities, I make a point to go through and subscribe to a bunch everyday so my users can get the best experience. But without others doing some of the leg work it can be challenging. Bigger instances like lemmy.world have “seeded” with communities all over because of their large user base. Not only does lemmy.world have a ton of communities but their users have subscribed to communities outside the instance making it discoverable to others.

        https://lemmyverse.net/ https://browse.feddit.de/

      • MBM@lemmings.worldEnglish
        21·
        1 year ago

        Unless you want to see porn or troll instances, I don’t think there’s a big difference between instances except for the fact that beehaw isn’t federated with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works

    • Skoobie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      Glad I’m realizing this before getting too attached to any one account. Setting up on a few instances now.

      • Doesnotexist@lemmy.worldEnglish
        262·
        1 year ago

        VOAT had a reputation of being for the reddit rejected users. The worst of the worst of #conservative.

        It was not a pleasant place to lurk.

        • Astroturfed@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          Ya, I’d been looking for a decent alternative forever. Tried to scratch the itch there but man it was bad. Just infested with neonazi pedos to the nth degree.

      • droans@lemmy.worldEnglish
        251·
        1 year ago

        then it got DDoSed and spammed with CP until everyone forgot about it?

        You sure that’s not because it first gained popularity after Reddit banned the jailbait sub?

        • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1811·
          1 year ago

          We sustained an attack right after their defederation, I have no proof now, maybe time will tell.

            • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
              38·
              1 year ago

              Not a claim, an hypotesis.
              Could also be wrongful intervention from Reddit interests. Could be both and some more.
              “Gotta love” the scientific method !

              • HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nlEnglish
                72·
                1 year ago

                First we had redditors calling Lemmy a communist plot. Now we have the biggest instance run by paranoids seeing commie plots everywhere.

                My suggestion: stop using lemmydotworld, spread the load, stop being a clown.

            • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.

              This is a quote from L.W.AdmiS’ post :
              Lemmy World outages

              At the time I made my first comment in here, there was no word from any admin, so, I had that (hypothesis //hunch //educated_guess) whatever you may call it. And then I wrote : “time will tell”. Well, I had the confirmation I needed for that L.W.Admin.

              Finally, if you need some more information, you may search it by yourself - - I have nothing more to say.

          • Hello Hotel@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            ~I really hope world can stay alive, they are in danger of completely undoing all of the work lemmy has done to get users. if they take world offline, that will create FUD that proves no point and gets people off lemmy saying “wow, I have nothing to show for my time, im going back to a stable site, maybe Reddit is the only safe place for content.”~

      • Hello Hotel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        166·
        1 year ago

        thats not communism, thats red painted bullshit. please DO ~defederate from whatever the hell that is.~ remove trolls using false flags.

        my idiot self's old comment

        within these people are a sort of poison, one that entrenches them in their symbols and attack others with pride, like an idiot. the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).

        Edit: I was using a hammer when i nedded a scalpel. Generally dont like my rant written in anger. To be clear, Waving a communist or trans flag and then being a narcisist in public. It is either a false flag or an idiot. Result is a useful addition to a news media’s hyperreality.

        Edit: i am REALLY unhappy with this comment, i fail by leaving whats implied unsaid. A natural observer given a big name like CNN saying things is always at risk of treeting the whole movement like a tom and jarry cartoon. Antifa usually gets a bad reputation, is it warrented? I dont know because the news is designed to let you make short and usually wrong assumptions. One commenter was right, you fight the news by looking out the window and seeing the negbors arent loonitics and in fact rather lovely.

        Edit: i am still REALLY unhappy with this comment, also spelling I cant really speak on these issues as I need guidance more than answers. I have been told to not worry about the propaganda machine (my old and current psychological trap) and to rather be free of it and to free others by showing them a better place. I was merely dragging people into the machine I sought to destroy. for this I am sorry.

        • GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.mlEnglish
          31·
          1 year ago

          the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).

          The local org that helps connect trans people with resources like housing and medical care is mostly made up of and run by ML’s. The idea that fascists would be kinder to trans people if ML’s stopped existing is ahistorical nonsense.

      • Fawxhox@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2012·
        1 year ago

        Man hexbear is such a shit show. When chapotraphouse was a sub I was on there near 24/7 for like 2 years, and it was the best online experience I’ve ever had. Then they migrated over to hexbear and it’s like only the worst, most self righteous people from the community moved over. I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary and told to kill myself and then a mod agreed with them and banned me for a week over a blatantly pro trans comment that apparently wasn’t pro trans in the right way. Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people? Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself, you’re literally butchering trans comrades with your comment”

        • Midas@ymmel.nlEnglish
          82·
          1 year ago

          Would be pretty sick if they effected us. Like a trans person comes around the corner and suddenly fireworks go off and glowsticks get handed out

        • Rotten_potato@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          1 year ago

          Man, I’m happy I’m not the only one who feels like this. I had such a good time in the chapotraphouse sub and never forgave reddit for banning it. None of the offspring from there could really capture what made this sub special, the hexbear thing certainly can’t.

        • Photographer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          56·
          1 year ago

          Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people?

          This is why I keep quiet on issues like that, someone will always say you are wrong for not having their exact opinion and wording. Had a similar thing when I said a 5 year old boy can wear a dress without being a girl, just let them do what they want.

          • GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.mlEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            A lot of it is contextual.

            Sometimes, it’s based on larger patterns of subtle behaviors that wouldn’t be indicative of a problem on their own.

            Sometimes, people are doing harmful things by accident because they grew up in a culture where those shitty things are normalized.

            Sometimes, people are doing things which would not be harmful on their own, but are associated with negative experiences that are only common for the minority group.

            Sometimes, people who have a long history of being timid have gotten fed up with putting themselves down for others’ comfort, so their pendulum swings the other way and we only see the tail end of that.

            And yeah, sometimes it’s someone who’s immature or aggressive for unrelated reasons and isn’t thinking super hard about what they’re doing beyond finding a weakness and attacking it. Social media design makes this worse. I think situations where that’s all it is are less common than we think, though.

            There’s also often ingroup/outgroup dynamics at play. And what makes it worse is that people who exist outside of the grey area of acceptable behavior, people who are just genuinely cruel, will do something cruel and then retreat and act like they belong in the grey area. They learn the ways that they act when people are genuinely uninformed or confused or curious and they copy them, all the while refusing to back down from the shitty thing they did. It’s kind of a charade put on for onlookers to make the victim look like the aggressor.

            For the specific issue you mentioned, the good faith interpretation is that, yes, boys can wear dresses. If that’s the end of it, that’s fine. But “wearing a dress doesn’t make you a girl” is also a common phrase used both by malicious transphobes and by misguided loved ones trying to talk their kids out of being trans. There are many reasons that discussions like these are so hard to get the phrasing’s right on is that we don’t have established social norms to make them easy. The established social norms, in fact, make them actively more difficult. And people are doing gender exploration in a matter of months that would have been spread out over years of their childhood if they’d been allowed to do so. It’s just a lot.

            I genuinely hear your frustration. I hope you hear mine. Learning all of this has been a painful process and I hope we can see it get easier in the near future.

    • Touching_Grass@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      1 year ago

      I saw a comment that mentioned there was a user that was creating tons of communities and squatting on them. That user was called out and banned and they might be behind it. But its all rumours. Does anyone have more details on this rumour?

  • Candelestine@lemmy.caEnglish
    63·
    1 year ago

    It’s been this way for weeks, actually. I haven’t seen a graph of the uptime, but I’m sure one would look extremely ugly, based on my own user experience.

    This right here is an alt, and despite the fact that I don’t prefer to comment from it, since I won’t necessarily check in soon to see replies, it’s seeing some heavy use.

    The attacks a few weeks ago weren’t a one-off, they never stopped. It seems down maybe half the time or so?

    One of the many ways we (all of Lemmy) are not quite ready for the mainstream yet, we still have basic technical/security issues to resolve. Soon, though.

  • Chickenstalker@lemmy.worldEnglish
    523·
    1 year ago

    What does not kill you, makes you stronger. The only thing these script kiddies are doing is strength training the world admins.

    • lemmyporn@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      24·
      1 year ago

      Yeah fucking up uptime during a period people are looking to migrate away from an ingrained product is definitely the path to a successful and strong network. Just like asking for unpaid admins (typically $100-200 an hour) to price on call duty for free.

      What you are seeing is a business cheap out, have zero clue or plan about scale, not give two fucks about privacy, and trick you all into giving that business a free pass for being shitty and execute poorly.

      This isn’t making shit stronger. It means normies will always make sure this place is the new 4chan.

  • echo @ feddit.uk@feddit.ukEnglish
    482·
    1 year ago

    It was always going to happen but an instance being the defacto default for Lemmy is a bad thing.

    There really needs to be a tool to help people pick an instance, but even then people would just flock to the general instances like .world anyway

    • Molecular0079@lemmy.worldEnglish
      451·
      1 year ago

      I also think instances just need to have more sane urls. It sounds silly but like it or not branding does matter. Instances like beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions. Even some of my friends who I’ve tried to introduce to Lemmy are just like…“what the fuck kinda website are you making me go to?” I am not surprised that lemmy.world is big, partly because the URL actually sounds official.

      We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances, better multi-instance search, and a way to migrate between instances before the masses will be okay with smaller instances.

      • raptir@lemm.eeEnglish
        8·
        1 year ago

        Views that show you multiple communities would be great. Let me see both major Steam Deck communities in one view.

      • jarfil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        1 year ago

        beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions

        They’re pretty descriptive: do you want a place to “behave”, or would you rather fling shit at each other?

        This isn’t Reddit, you get to pick your experience. Can even sign up to more than one instance, each with different rules!

        We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances

        Apps do that, including some web app.

        Search and migrations could be improved, though.

        • Molecular0079@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Apps do that, including some web app.

          I don’t just mean grouping communities client side though. I mean super-communities that a mod or admin can curate and that other people can share and subscribe to. Out of curiosity, which apps have you been using that have this feature?

    • jeffhykin@lemm.eeEnglish
      37·
      1 year ago

      Myself and another developer are working on something we think will solve this:

      OP: https://lemm.ee/post/2800726 TLDR: Automatic User Distribution

      Whenever someone goes to the sign up page, for example, on Lemmy.world, we:

      • look at the recommender list
      • find the server that is most under capacity
      • have a very large iframe with “Sign up for Lemmy (using [under capacity server here])”
      • have a small “No, I want to sign up specifically on Lemmy.world” option
      • jarfil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        1 year ago

        Does it take into account instance rules like language, moderation, or whether it’s a personal instance hosted on a raspi that may go down at any moment?

        • jeffhykin@lemm.eeEnglish
          8·
          1 year ago

          Yes! Lemmy.world (or any other big server) must manually add the-other-server to their “recommder” list. So the-other-server has to prove to Lemmy.world that they’re going to offer similar reliability.

      • Midas@ymmel.nlEnglish
        10·
        1 year ago

        Would also be cool to have like a short questionnaire, like picking your class in Morrowind, but instead you end up on a German industrial metal music instance.

        • Draconic NEO@lemmy.worldEnglish
          141·
          1 year ago

          People are talking about capacity because they clearly don’t understand what’s really happening here, they think that it’s Reddit’s hug of death (that too many users are causing the site to go over capacity) when in reality it’s an attack, these outages are being caused by attackers intentionally not by a swarm of people unintentionally.

        • jeffhykin@lemm.eeEnglish
          91·
          1 year ago

          I agree capacity isn’t the cause of outages. Centralization is an issue, and capacity is a way for a server like Lemmy.world to say “I would prefer less new users”

            • jeffhykin@lemm.eeEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              Agreed, in my original post I mentioned posts per day as a metric thats slightly closer to actual load. But its pretty hard to throttle number of posts, so I think users is going to be a more useful value.

              If a server has really active users they can set a lower target number of users.

              Eventually it would be nice to have a standardized way of migrating and backing up accounts to make it possible for one server to offload its existing users to another server.

    • raptir@lemm.eeEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      It makes sense that general purpose instances would have the most users. I’m not a programmer so while I could still register there why would I pick programmer.dev?

      The bigger issue I had in picking an instance was just in understanding the differences. I think it would help if instances advertised their stance on defederation, moderation, etc… to help people make a decision (or even to see that lemmy.world may be more similar to some other instances than they might think).

        • Draconic NEO@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          I already do have multiple accounts, but I usually don’t use the others because I worry that I’m going to accidentally upvote things twice. Would be nice if Lemmy had a feature to exclude duplicate votes from your other accounts.

      • STUPIDVIPGUY@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        yeah it’s lame but it’s more harmful for the hackers in how much time they are wasting. not that their time is worth much apparently

    • paddirn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      I’m not going to pretend to understand the technical details, but would it make more sense if Instances were treated more like subreddits? So instead of the main Lemmy.world instance, we’d have gaming.world, news.world, nsfw.world, woodworking.world, and so on. So then things would be distributed more evenly across the fediverse and it would be harder for a single for a DDOS attack to take out the entire system all at once? Or does the architecture of the whole thing not make any sense doing it like that? Would each instance then have to setup their own server or something to make it work?

      • Die4Ever@programming.devEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I guess the community names could be subdomains, the default config would pass all the subdomains to the same Lemmy process. But this would make it easier to split things up down the road, and you could move some of those sub domains to different servers entirely.

        Not sure if it’s worth rearchitecting things like this now, probably better to just close signups and disallow creating new communities on overloaded instances like lemmy.world

      • biddy@feddit.nlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Each instance is it’s own server, then it has many communities which are created by users. Ideally we spread the communities across instances, but unfortunately most of the big communities are clustered on the big instances, because finding communities on small instances is hard.

  • hyper@lemmy.zipEnglish
    43·
    1 year ago

    lemmy.world has been so unstable for that I decided to switch to another instance. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse though.
    I setup my own Uptime Kuma Monitor for lemmy.world just for fun… the statistics are crazy

  • Too Lazy Didn't Name@lemmy.worldEnglish
    441·
    1 year ago

    Its really unfortunate. Im working on setting up my own personal instance right now. Im really grateful for all the work Lemmy.world has done, but im just getting tired of not being able to use Lemmy maybe 1/8th of the time I open the app.

    Just a +1 for decentralized social media. The fact that I can just set up my own instance when im not 100% happy with the one im currently on is awesome.

  • Aurix@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4711·
    1 year ago

    I think lemmy.world is too large for the health of the fediverse. A nasty incident which takes it down permanently could “kill” Lemmy as a whole. Perhaps a sign up stop is in order.

    • Fish [Indiana]@midwest.socialEnglish
      281·
      1 year ago

      I moved to a different instance about a month ago, after lemmy.world got hacked. I haven’t had any issues on Midwest.social. I suggest other people do the same if they want Lemmy to be feasible in the long term. Get the fuck off Lemmy.world.

      Here is a list of instances sorted by user count if anyone wants to move: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

        • Fish [Indiana]@midwest.socialEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          No idea. But if I were to guess, it looks like ‘www.hexbear’ was added in July and then reposted in August in an attempt remove the ‘www’. I assume their intention was to follow the same syntax as everyone else, but they weren’t able to delete the original ‘www.hexbear’. Probably user error, but that’s just a guess.

      • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        1 year ago

        So are you recommending to switch instances and not interact with lemmy.world and its users? I don’t get this, what’s the point of something getting popular if you can’t interact with it? So those that got in early get to be here while others have to start from scratch?

        And what happens if you have a question and your instance has 10 users, while world has 3000?

        • remkit@lemmy.kya.moeEnglish
          7·
          1 year ago

          That’s not how federation works. You can still interact with lemmy.world and its users from another instance, but spreading out not only helps with lemmy.world’s load, but also the fediverse.

        • Fish [Indiana]@midwest.socialEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Lemmy is a federated network (part of the Fediverse), meaning that, for the most part, all instances are linked together and share most of the same information and comments. If people move from one instance to another then their experience will be almost identical.

          If you already have an account on Lemmy.world then you can transfer your account information to an account on a different instance by using one of the many tools created by Lemmy’s users. The reason you would move away from Lemmy.world is that it helps decentralize Lemmy’s data, so that if one instance goes down it doesn’t have a large impact on others’ Lemmy experience.

          If you are using an instance with only 10 users, then here are some issues you might run into: there are less users to update the instance’s ‘communities’ page, so you might have to add some communities to the instance manually; there aren’t as many people maintaining the instance, so it might not be as well-maintained as some larger instances; the server costs might not be worth hosting for just 10 users (donate to your host, if you have the means to do so). However, there are a lot of smaller instances that are just as well-maintained as Lemmy.world (like Midwest.social).

          I hope this helped you understand Lemmy a little better.

    • infotainment@lemmy.worldEnglish
      256·
      1 year ago

      Attitudes like this are much worse for the health of the Fediverse, IMO.

      A popular instance with users and content? Kill it immediately, we can’t risk people actually using the Fediverse.

      • morrowind@lemmy.mlEnglish
        611·
        1 year ago

        The fact is, lemmy.world’s size is already actively harming the fediverse and it’s quite annoying. No one said to “kill it” just stop it from growing even more

    • jeffhykin@lemm.eeEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      Instead of blocking sign-ups we can have Lemmy’s sign up automatically recommend other servers.

      Another developer and I already have a PR in development for it.

      Here’s the idea in more detail: https://lemm.ee/post/2800726

    • gabe [he/him]@literature.cafeEnglish
      42·
      1 year ago

      I agree, but they plan on making a message on the sign up screen encouraging users but not stopping sign up so… 🤷‍♂️

  • Dasnap@lemmy.worldEnglish
    351·
    1 year ago

    Are they suffering DDOS attacks? They might need something like Cloudflare to combat this. Maybe some kind of reverse-proxy if the attack isn’t super massive.

  • super_user_do@feddit.itEnglish
    25·
    1 year ago

    Lemmy.world Is down, but Lemmy as a whole is still up and running. This is why I like the fediverse

  • AndreyAsimow@lemmy.zipEnglish
    263·
    1 year ago

    It’s getting really annoying. Is there an mobile friendly way to migrate my account from lemmy.world to lemmy.zip?