Hello world!
We would like to start by saying thank you ❤, no really 🙏 THANK YOU to ALL the moderators out there!
Without you folks, we would have no one to help keep our community safe and help build the communities both here on Lemmy.World and on other fine instances. To this end, we want to make sure your voices are heard 📣 loud and clear📣.
So, in the spirit of transparency, we would like everyone to know that we are looking to help out the folks working on Sublinks. Over the last several months we have grown to be more than just Lemmy.World. We’ve added platforms such as Pixelfed and Sharkey to help offer our users more diverse options for expressing themselves online. We still are very committed to Mastodon as well.
We DO NOT plan on moving away from Lemmy as a software platform at this time. Any changes in our core services would need to be discussed extensively internally AND externally with our community members. We firmly believe in the growth of the Fediverse and without the users, there would only be software, and that’s no fun!
Sooo…
The Sublinks team has written up a little survey, which we feel is both thorough and inclusive. It covers a wide range of topics, such as user privacy, and community engagement, along with trying to gauge things that are difficult when moderating.
Also please be aware the information collected by this survey is completely anonymous. As many of us in the social sciences background know, if you want the REAL feelings of individuals, they need to feel safe to express themselves.
Please feel free to comment in this thread, we will do our best to respond to any genuine questions.
We look forward to hearing from each and every one of you!
=Sincerely,
Fedihosting Foundation
PS … also if this sounds like a corporate press release to you folks, we still punk 🤘😜🤘
I don’t understand this post, at all… Did something happen to Lemmy? This post has very clear intentions.
If you just wished to help the folks at sublinks to gather information on moderation tools, as you claimed, you should have just opened an issue on their github or on their sublemmy or whatever. Do not create a sticky for 200k people to see.
Yes the 0.19.3 upgrade happened.
We wanted to give their survey more reach, as a sort of collaboration.
edit: version typo
I read all your posts on this thread and honestly… I am shook. There is very clearly some resentment there, resentment that goes beyond the interests of the community and beyond the points of the OP.
There are always going to be issues with this type of software. You should raise them appropriately, on their repository, so they get fixed in the next release. That is how FLOSS works. Do not use that to divide the community. We are not big enough for that yet.
Instead of being shady and manipulative, how about you create an issue/post with the current lemmy bugs/troubles and give an honest chance to the devs?
And you are mad because of documentation? I mean, I understand, it must be infuriating, specially being the biggest community. I understand the stress. Had it happened to me, I would have been mad as well. But come on. Be better than that. Documentation is text. Just send a PR with the correct configs. That should be easy. Sure, you hurt, but use that to improve the community, not to divide it.
And check the upvote/downvote ratio of all your comments here. You have more downvotes than upvotes. That is the community speaking.
And I wonder @ruud@lemmy.world, is he speaking for Lemmy.world with his comments?
And… what does this mean? Something bad will be introduced with 0.19.4?
We hoped for the best and we got the worst. Even after we waited like multiple months after release and what got we? We got a headon crash to the wall.
Bad documentation, changed setup, ui issues, sort issues, performance issues, ddosed multiple times by smaller 0.19.3 instances that crashed and restarted, some other issues that could have been seen if blackbox tested just once.
For smaller instances ok they can live with it. But we waited extra long, and then got the worst, untested software.
edit: typo in the version
Considering that Lemmy is an open source project which is being built collectively by a big community, your comment sounds extremely strange. You are basically saying “we did not do enough testing for the 0.19.3 release, and we accept none of the blame for it.”
Edit: The more I think about your comment, the more strange it becomes… you guys are literally running the biggest instance, but rather than participate in the testing of big releases, you let smaller instances do it for you and then complain if nobody else is testing it at your scale. Your comments would be completely understandable if this was a paid product, but come on… Just think about it, would you also have this kind of approach for IRL community projects?
We did our testing, but we didnt scaled it up to be similar size of our main instance. There everything seemed fine, but when we upgraded the real issues have rissen up and were just breaking every setup we had.
We had some trust that other instances and developers had tested it at least by turning their instance on and report it, but didnt seemed so. Some issues isnt even caused the instance size. Some issues were documentation were just wrong and not noted it was experimental.
Of course we should have mirrored our big instance, but that would have increased the costs and would be time heavy.
What I’m wondering about is how you might start using a platform with a much, much smaller userbase, and expect that scaling problems won’t be as bad or worse. With even less sister instances to get troubleshooting info off of.
I think they mentioned in another comment, but sublinks is developed in Java, so the .world team would be able to contribute more to the actual development/testing process (edit: since they aren’t familiar with rust).
You know what’s easier (and more productive) than starting a new project from scratch? Learning Rust. It’s the future anyway.
Well Rust is far better than JAVA will ever be.
Are you talking about the current release then, 0.19.3?
sry was a typo