The atrocities at Al-Shifa Hospital are clear, but Israeli politicians say not a single civilian was killed. It’s just one of several outlandish claims Israel has made recently.

A human rights monitor documented the sniping of at least 13 children in and around Shifa Hospital, all between the ages of 4 and 16.

  • Guntrigger@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    172·
    8 months ago

    That’s right, just Biden. No previous president was ever in full support of Israel.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1117·
      8 months ago

      Indeed every single previous American president would have already stopped israeli by now. Genocide Joe is by far biggest Zionist president in American history

      There were three times in the past that israel violated human rights so hard that American presidents threatened arms embargoes or threatened to cut off israeli loan guarantees. The most recent one is George Bush.

      Although Israel and its supporters went into a frenzy, with one Israeli cabinet minister calling the U.S. president an “antisemite” and a “liar,” Bush Sr. prevailed. On Oct. 2, 1991, the U.S. Senate formally acceded to Bush’s request for a 120-day postponement. Furthermore, because of Shamir’s determination to expand settlements, the loans were not released until well beyond the postponement period, after the election of a more moderate Israeli government led by Yitzhak Rabin.

      When I spoke to him in 2003, Baker told me, “We said to Rabin, ‘we’ll release the $10 billion if you agree to substantially restrict settlement activity,’ and he did.”

      In these cases israel did far less human rights violation than the full scale Genocide they are committing right now. Genocide Joe is exceptional in his support to let israel kill every single Palestinian.

          • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            21·
            8 months ago

            No. I don’t have any obvious counter-evidence I’m aware of, but I don’t bare the burden of proof. You need to show evidence that every single other president would have done as you say. It’s a very big claim that requires a lot of evidence, and frankly I don’t believe it’s true.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
              1·
              7 months ago

              Maybe not every president since as you say that requires a lot of evidence and is likely unprovable, but I firmly believe that the majority would’ve stopped Israel by now. I mean, hell, even objectively horrible people like George Bush and Regan did it. Hell, even Biden did it in 2021. What I want to say is: Biden letting Israel rampage like this is the exception, not the norm. For evidence, I think the fact that Israel has needed to exercise at least a modicum of restraint and not commit actual genocide until now is enough.

              • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                1·
                7 months ago

                I firmly believe

                Without evidence

                not commit actual genocide

                Israel is currently in the process of committing an actual genocide. I think that’s why the Biden administration is holding an investigation; because if they can publish a finding that Israel is using American weapons they can then withhold aid without anyone being able to make legal trouble. Because of the way our treaties work, Biden is compelled to supply aid to Israel until he’s legally forbidden from doing so. In the meantime, there’s reports that he’s begun using back-door beurocratic BS to slow aid down as much as he’s legally able to.

                Now maybe all of that is baseless rumors being spread by braindead Biden cheerleaders, but it’s also entirely possible that it’s true. You have no basis for your assertion that Biden is even doing worse than average, so stop trying to act like it’s an established fact.

                TLDR: your argument is uncogent.

                • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
                  11·
                  7 months ago

                  Now maybe all of that is baseless rumors being spread by braindead Biden cheerleaders

                  Yes. Israel has been obviously breaking international law, using American weapons (including the infamous 2000 pound bombs) for a while now. Many individual Israeli actions have been called warcrimes by various NGOs, up to and including the UN. If he wanted to do anything he’d have done it already. He also wouldn’t match bold-faced Israeli propaganda (like the 40 dead babies debacle).

                  You have no basis for your assertion that Biden is even doing worse than average, so stop trying to act like it’s an established fact.

                  I do: Biden is one of the few US presidents who hasn’t stopped Israel when they did something this out of proportion. Again, this man is doing worse than Reagan and Bush. Do you understand how low the bar he’s failing to meet is?

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          512·
          8 months ago

          As much of a Moron as Trump is, even he is starting to turn around now

          “You have to finish up your war … You gotta get it done. And I am sure you will do that. And we gotta get to peace, we can’t have this going on. And I will say, Israel has to be very careful, because you’re losing a lot of the world, you’re losing a lot of support,” he told the newspaper.

          When asked how he would have countered a rise in anti-Semitism that followed the Hamas attacks and Israel’s response, Mr Trump appeared to blame the images of Israeli bombings coming out of Gaza.

          “Well, that’s because you fought back,” he said. “And I think Israel made a very big mistake. I wanted to call [Israel] and say don’t do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza. And I said, Oh, that’s a terrible portrait. It’s a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this … every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people.”

          When even Donald Trump turns with the winds, it’s looking like Biden literally can’t do worse