Hi guys, I just wanted to call out an inappropriate term I’ve seen used sometimes: Civil Disobedience. It’s not just civil disobedience when you pirate something privately, you need to do it publicly and dare the authorities to do something about it.
So an example here would be to set up a massive leech party and advertise it specifically as civil disobedience. Say all manner of things from all manner of copyright holders would be transmitted, and try and get news coverage. That’s civil disobedience.
Just downloading a movie because you want to watch it is not. OK thanks for your time.
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Reminder: Civil Disobedience (like any demonstration) requires you plan for and control the way the media covers it and have a target audience and desired response from them.
If you’re just getting yourself and others arrested/fined so some people who already agree with you can read about it on some blog, you’re doing the fed’s job.
effective civil disobedience requires that. just because the thing isn’t effective doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
+1. I was giving an example but you really need everyone involved to sit down and think through the way things are going to work. Every successful act of civil disobedience is thoroughly planned out.
refusing to respect the law in private is still civil disobedience. I wouldn’t say that it’s as effective, but it is still civil disobedience.
like this television tax thing in the uk. if everybody just stops paying it, the system would still fold even if they don’t go out in the streets talking about it.
I feel like this post has devolved into nomenclature. My intent was not to tut tut people for using the wrong word, it was to say that Civil Disobedience is actually quite powerful, and we can use it to enact change at the government level.
yeah but that’s not what you said. you tried to correct people’s grammar without bothering to look up the grammar that you were correcting first, so this thread is about grammar because that’s the thread you made
“Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws, demands, orders or commands of a government (or any other authority).”
You are incorrect and this post is wrong.
I feel bad for anyone who walks away from this thinking “civil disobedience only applies to things you do publicly.”
It’s not very active or professed if you do it privately with existing tools.
I want to speak with your English teacher.
Just to add: you don’t need to justify your piracy. It doesn’t need to be a grand moral act. There’s free stuff out there on the internet and you’re getting it. You’d be stupid not to. It doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.
Sometimes you just want to watch better call saul and there’s nothing more to it.
Did you even bother to consult a dictionary before you wrote up this silly gatekeeping nonsense?
There is nothing in the definition of civil disobedience that says it needs to be public.
There is nothing that say we have to openly challenge the authorities.
There is nothing that says we have to get the medias attention.
Torrent using I2P and share the magnet links to the torrents while making fun of the authorities. To be more spicy, send the magnet link of the anonymous torrent to the rightsholder and mock them for being unable to find you. Then take a screenshot of the message and share it on social media for clout and dare others to do the same.
Start with Nintendo and work yourself through the most litigious companies out there. I’m sure the MPAA would be delighted to be taunted.
I’m sure that’ll go over well.
Is there any alternative to i2p torrenting if you want to torrent without a VPN? Other than living in a third world country.
Not that I can think of 🤔 But maybe others may know.
Did someone say it was?
Since you capitalized it, I suppose you’re referring to the writing of Henry David Thoreau? Maybe worth mentioning if somebody wants to read it. Dude sat in jail to oppose poll taxes. I don’t think it needs to be public or advertised but it should be overt.
For example I don’t stop for metering lights. Everybody can see when I do it. Sometimes nobody sees. But I don’t feel the regulation is just and so I must oppose it. I’m still waiting to get a ticket so I can challenge metering lights in court.
Tldr; “I dont like how people use a term so i am going to make up a whole new definiton”
Passive resistance is a large part of civil disobedience. Civil disobedience does not need to be public.
I do agree with op, that downloading a movie to watch is not civil disobedience.
Just downloading a movie because you want to watch it is not. OK thanks for your time.
Counterpoint… Seeding is a public action… And thus me downloading it and seeding for a 6-12 months is exactly Civil Disobedience (especially on my 8gbps pipe).
especially on my 8gbps pipe
Title of your sex tape!
Leeching probably isn’t civil disobedience. Maybe even seeding things for preservation’s sake isn’t.
But wouldn’t seeding popular/current things be civil disobedience?
You must do it “loudly”. You have to seed in front of the prime minister, or get the news to cover you doing it, and put your real name out there.
This is not pedantry I can support.
