I expect any VP should be ready to serve as long as they are VP. That’s like, the biggest role of a VP other than as a tie breaker in the Senate.
You’re usually not supposed to talk about it though, because it’s basically saying “I don’t think the President is fit to lead”
I’d say that would be one of the duties of the VP, to organize the 25th amendment and become president if the current president is unfit to lead. Of course that is assuming you were chosen to be VP because of abilities, rather then to appeal to a certain state or demographic. For example when Obama chose Biden to begin with.
Well, no. It’s saying, IF the President BECOMES unfit to lead for any reason, the VP should be expected to take over. This is a topic of literally every election.
If a VP isn’t ready to take over, they are a bad VP. There’s a reason why VPs have a debate before elections on policy.
You are literally right, but politically wrong. How shit like that plays can be very different from the carefully parsed out phrasing. This is one of the reasons that Republicans consistently kick the shit out of Democrats on messaging.
Democratic politicians love getting high on their own farts with clever language and nuanced takes. They do this shit all the time because they are so deeply out of touch.
I can’t tell her to message better. I’m just laying down the fact that what she actually said was actually a very standard. That’s all I can do here.
Oh Fucking lord are you kidding me?
This is from the establishment that refused to offer us a real primary.
Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
The Florida Democratic Party’s executive committee voted to cancel their primary at the end of October 2023 and declare Biden the winner
The Tennessee Democratic Party decided to list only Biden as a ballot option for its primary after a November 11 meeting
The North Carolina Democratic Party acknowledged receiving requests for ballot access from Phillips and other candidates, but chose to only include Biden for its primary
The Democratic Party of Wisconsin left Phillips off the ballot; he appealed to the Wisconsin Supreme Court on January 26, 2024. The court unanimously ruled on February 2 that Phillips should be included on the ballot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips_2024_presidential_campaign
Dean Phillips? I’m fairly engaged in mainstream political discussions and the only reason I’ve heard his name is to point out that he’s one of a small number of potential spoiler candidates.
Even the article you linked is full of quotes bashing his campaign.
The guy taking campaign donations from Harlan Crow ought to be enough to tell you everything you need to know. This guy isn’t here trying to win, he’s just trying to muddy the waters.
I know Biden is a really tough pill to swallow. It’s true, I feel it too, but unless he drops dead tomorrow, he’s the guy that has already beaten Trump, so smart money is going to the proven winner. The sooner we all accept that and start focusing on the down-ballot races, the better. Because truthfully the president doesn’t make enough difference if Congress continues to be absolutely fucking useless.
Phillips received 19.7% of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, despite Joe Biden not being on the ballot. Phillips received less than 2% of the vote in the South Carolina primary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips_2024_presidential_campaign
Each state sets its own primary rules, so they’re all over the place. If the guy can’t get enough support, he can still be a write-in.
Sorry, but that’s not preventing someone from running.
5 states Democratic parties (10 percent of the country) preemptively removed everyone but Biden off of the ballot of the primary, against the parties own rules.
It isn’t a conspiracy theory, It’s a statement of fact.
Sure, yet in the New Hampshire primary, Biden wasn’t even ON THE BALLOT and he won through popular support and a write-in campaign. If he is so unpopular, how did he pull that one off?
Good job moving the goal posts. Or, did you think we wouldn’t notice?
I didn’t say he’s unpopular, though he is. In fact, he’s the most unpopular president at this point in his presidency in US history, since polling has been a thing. The reason Democratic voters “Like” him is because he isn’t Trump. They don’t actually like him for himself.
Trump, on the other hand, the people that want to vote for him REALLY want to vote for him.
Frankly, I think Biden is the only person the Democratic party could field that would lose to Trump. Conversely, I think anyone on the Republican side but Trump would beat Biden.
But, all of this is besides the point. You weren’t arguing that Biden was popular. You were arguing, and I quote:
Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
And it is kind of hard to run if you aren’t even on the fucking ballot. You also implied that people who recognize the public fact that 5 states have removed everyone but Biden from the primary ballot are conspiracy theorists when in fact, they’re just not ignorant of current events like you seem to be.
Against “the parties own rules” how? Each state runs their shit differently.
Yes! There are definitely NO private interest groups in the US! Everything is 100% voters choice. I’d also like to add the US system is not in anyway pay to play. The only reason truly grass root candidates don’t get elected to major positions is that the American people prefer and trust corporate backed politicians, as they are the ones that will lead us to a more productive feature!
/s
Bernie isn’t running. Williamson, Phillips, and Uygur were the main primary challengers. DNC refused to so much as acknowledge them, knowing they are all preferable choices to Biden for voters, but also that none would be as subservient to corporate interests as Biden.
In several documented cases, the national committee called state boards and asked them to cancel primaries altogether, regardless of whether the challengers had already met requirements to appear on ballots. Some of them did cancel primaries, like FL.
The DNC show themselves to be true hypocrites by claiming that “democracy is on the line” this election. This blatant slap in the face of voters is how the DNC is handing the election to Trump, but they will claim after losing that progressives simply didn’t vote hard enough.
Bernie isn’t running because he’s consistently gotten shafted of Democrat support from the party establishment. In the 2016 primaries, the vast majority of superdelegates were in support of Clinton which impacted polling, support, morale, and voter turnout. A “democracy” where some votes are worth more than others isn’t a democracy, it’s a sham.
All of that is true except for the reason why Bernie isn’t running.
He absolutely does not want to give more animosity towards Biden for Trump to take advantage of. Because that happened in 2016 and it was disastrous.
Yeah this is a good assessment, and I agree. It’s more than just the superdelegates though - the establishment itself considers left wing populism anathema. Bernie would work to benefit actual American workers, and not just corporations - that’s not what the corporate donors are paying for.
Only Philips was able to get even a tiny bit of support. He’s as centrist as Biden. This whole corporate conspiracy you guys love is nonsense. There’s a shitload of corporate money in politics, make no mistake, but this is a far cry from the resistance that Bernie ran into. Bernie had actual support.
How do these guys poll? Have you even listened to Dean, the one doing the best? He’s not espousing any leftist ideas you know, he’s a reach-out-to-the-repubs style dem.
Logic isn’t welcome here on Lemmy, up votes are only for those who refuse to acknowledge reality. 🤷♂️
age is not the only thing about Biden and Trump that is needing scrutiny
What do you mean? Trump is completely able to server. Man. Woman. Football. TV. Car. He is the most fittest president with the cleanest bill of health ever in the history of presidents. He only makes the best phone calls. Besides, he was still in office for Jan6, so that means he has full and unquestionable immunity over anything and everything he did!
“Person, woman, man, camera, TV” is the actual quote, just for the record.
It’s funnier that it’s wrong Imo.
immunity over anything and everything he did
And will do! For some elusive reason and plenty of fuzzy thinking.
The best immunity. Immunity you wouldn’t believe. Everybody is saying it. Very smart people are all… five judges, they all wrote a letter. They said the immunity is perfect.
Well we should have a primary.
Biden is leading currently, 91 delegates to 0. Don’t forget to vote!
How many states Democratic parties removed anyone from their primary ballots but Joe Biden?
Yeah, sure, there is a primary.
Nobody else raised their hand, funds for a campaign, or popular support. What is it that you were expecting?
Behold, dear reader, a man named Joe,
Whose anger and confusion doth overflow,
His words are jumbled and quite strange,
With senility’s grip, he is quite deranged.
America deserves a President Kamala Harris
I’m happy to see that my KHive fans at Hexbear remain loyal! I’m ready for this, I’m ready to be the extremely awkward public face of the American empire as I continue the same genocidal policies of my predecessors!
Replacing the Person Doing The Genocide with the Person Who Stood Near The Levers Of Power And Did Nothing = harm reduction
Lmfao KHive, I love it.
You think they need even more prisons?
Yes, can’t wait for the memes
There are few people I trust less as a leader than the decaying husk of Jim Crow.
Kamala Harris is one of them. Cognitively I’m more concerned about her. I would be less likely to vote than I am now and my current plan is to vote for my dog.
What do you mean by cognitively - does she have any cognitive decline like the two front runners?
Hate to break it to you lady but no, you abso-fucking-lutely are not.
How come? (Genuine question)
Most people dislike her. Most black people do not lile her. She bleeds black staff constantly, this was on the news. Like what has she really done with her given portfolio? Most people are barely aware of what it even is.
Just saw that Biden will be not taking a Mental Cognitive Test on his next physical. Wonder why.
Maybe because there are a number of videos lile this plus all the recent stuff. It is concerning. I bet they will swap for Newsom.
Like what has she really done with her given portfolio? Most people are barely aware of what it even is.
She told Hondurans
to the U.S.What’s really funny is
is such a goofy quote that even people who aren’t remotely leftists use it. If people don’t know where it’s from the seeds are right there for a blatant anti-immigrant speech to blow up in her face and not go away.The inside politics reason that Harris exists in the white house, is that the Hillary faction of the DNC (who hates obama, almost as much as they hate bernie), were positioning Harris as their replacement for Clinton. After Harris face-planted repeatedly during the primary and it was obvious she was never going to be elected, she joined the centrist voltron along with Pete Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Amy Klobachar, and Elizabeth Warren who all dropped out and endorsed Biden right before South Carolina in order to stop Bernie. Pete got to be secretary of transportation, Harris got VP.
Hell no to Harris, she has negative charm every interview I’ve seen, like she has utter contempt for anyone else.
There were 4 opeds in the NYT over the weekend talking about Biden’s age, which felt remarkably candid for the elite rag it is. One of them in particular was an “interesting” idea where Biden is swapped out before the convention, but after the primaries / delegates are assigned. Democracy FTW (/s)
Now that I think about it though, why would the aides actually running the white house want a real leader? Seems like they have it pretty good as it is.
I don’t know what’s wrong with those Dems. Does she think she just fell out of a coconut tree?
Is he sticking with Harris? Why, did she get more popular or something?
Would be kind of a self own to get a new VP. No one does that. Unless she like killed someone Biden has to ride it out
Aaron Good covers those shenanigans in his book American Exception. He talks about it a bit in this Macro N Cheese podcast episode (transcript included): American Exception with Aaron Good
Exception proves the rule. Garner campaigned against FDR.
*ready to rule the regime
I mean this is all basically just more media clickbait on the theme of “how is this bad for Biden”.
“Biden called old while being exonerated of classified document prosecution! How is this bad for him?”
It’s hilarious that liberals have convinced themselves that the media is being harsh on Biden and not that they have been carrying water to hide the fact he’s on the verge of death and actively gleefully spitting in the faces of the people who elected him last time.
They literally post articles that boil down to “don’t believe your lying eyes, Biden is doing great” and liberals still complain they aren’t doing enough heavy lifting for him.
Like, why is it literally everybody’s job to get Biden elected except for fucking Biden?
I would hope so. I can’t imagine anyone agrees to be VP without understanding that they may have to take up the mantle of President without much notice.
Could they just trade places? Run as a Harris Biden ticket. There is a lot more endless whining about Biden than Harris after all, and I imagine it would throw Newscorp for a spin while they refocus on new non politics reasons to hate Harris. She’s younger, more likable, and can point to the same exact record.
Given that the current Dem plan seems to be to do nothing and just hope that the Republicans never win again, starting a tradition of the VP of one admin graduating to the Presidency of the next seems like it might also make sense to limit the difficulty faced holding the office after a second term.
It’s not whining, it’s justifiable outrage. The fact that Harris can point to the same exact record is not a plus. There were polls before this memory issue even came up showing that Trump was beating Biden with blacks, Latinos and voters under 25! Do you realize how bad that is!? Democrats have to absolutely dominate in those demographics to have a chance at winning. It’s true that polling at this stage is pretty useless but, even so, that ought to be setting off alarm bells. This is really bad.
BTW: if you really want to alienate voters that the Democrats desperately need, then keep using words like “whining”.
BTW: if you really want to alienate voters that the Democrats desperately need, then keep using words like “whining”.
This. The Democratic establishment’s smug, centerist, out of touch attitude is MASSIVELY self destructive. Are their political consultant’s ALSO massively out of touch??
The Democratic establishment and their political consultants are pretty much the same exact group. It’s a revolving door system to distribute campaign donations. DNC members move in and out of the various campaign organizations, consultancies, and government positions.
Campaign money gets spent on consultants who take a cut and spend most of the rest on ineffective television adds. The primary purpose of the adds is not to reach voters, but to purchase the loyalty of broadcasters who will then cooperate with campaigns. That’s why they have been so slow to shift to the Internet, even though it provides the most bang for the buck. Leverage over broadcasters is crucial in maintaining a news blackout for progressive candidates.
I don’t know, I’d say Fox News and the New York Times running constant stories on a canadates age or speaking ability while avoiding more than a footnote mention of any policy, actions, or laws the candidate has shaped, no matter how watered down they were, is whining. If it was justifiable outrage, surely the focus would be on things he was actually doing, like supporting Isreal’s far right or backing down when faced with a incompetent House, and not about how someone with a speech impediment flubed a speech?
Ah. I didn’t realize you were going for the Fox News / New York Times demographic. I’m not sure tagging in an unlikable black woman from California is going to get you very far with that crowd, but I wish you the best of luck.
Biden pretty obviously has got some working memory issues that go beyond a simple speech impediment. Personally I don’t think that’s a big deal for an effective executive, since good staffing and delegation can bridge that gap. It’s pretty horrible for a presidential candidate though. It’s a really good thing that Trump is no more interested in a debate than Biden.
Ohh it wouldn’t convince any of the far right, but it would take time to embed the new rote complaints after spending so much air time repeating the same age issue, and which how unsubtle they’ve become I’m curious as to if they’ll get braden enough to alienate the ‘social progressive, fiscal conservative’ crowd.
If that’s the the primary concern with Biden the mainstream is willing to actually talk about, because every actual criticism tends to boil down to being a standard Democratic centrist unwilling to take much of a stand on anything but throwing money at climate and student debt, then Harris solves that by providing a generic Dem that fulfills the one thing they’ve been told is a problem with Biden for the last few years.
Harris is at least positioned as slighly more radical than Biden, so it could lead to better support the younger left if she manages to stay clear of Gaza and other problems of inaction. I also doubt very many people are going to change their vote for Biden based on round 2 of debates.
More practically, given that no party is going to drop a incumbent nomination without a lot more pressure then Biden’s under, it is at least slightly less fantastical if it’s just switching the order. It’s not going to happen, but it might be interesting if it did.
Practically, the only way I think we might see a change from the DMC strategy of moving righword to try and gain moderates is if Trump actually splits the Republicans, unlikely because none of them have enough of a spine, and thusly gave one of the actual left candidates enough comfort with the margin on a four way race they don’t bow out without major concessions.
She’s borderline brain-dead even though she’s in her prime. I genuinely hope Biden wins AND lives for another five years.
