Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can’t make its operations work here.::The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can’t make its operations work here. All seven of its California stations will close immediately.

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    7 months ago

    The batteries we have today are absolute garbage in terms of efficiency…solar is free energy, hydrogen is the most abundant thing in the universe, and burns clean.

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      7 months ago

      Battery technology that we have today is leagues ahead of liquid hydrogen ICE vehicles. You would need a trailer full of liquid hydrogen to get decent range. But that would not matter much because you would only get a fraction of the way through that tank before having to replace the fuel pump.

      Engineering Explained has a few videos on the liquid hydrogen Corolla. It is only being looked at for race cars because of how quickly liquid hydrogen boils off.

      https://youtu.be/DGL5g91KwLA

      https://youtu.be/vJjKwSF9gT8

      While I applaud Toyota for researching this avenue, I don’t expect much of it to be useful for the average commuter.

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        7 months ago

        Did you even watch your own videos? First off some YT claimed engineer isn’t a legit source of doubt, second the fuel pump was being used during a 24 hour race… that’s like claiming that rubber tires require 3 sets during a endurance race and we should scrape rubber and go back to wood.

        Hydrogen ICE is a legit tech and will be the future, unless they develop a cheaper, longer lasting and quicker charge battery. ICE is here to stay for a while. Batteries cannot do what they do.

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          7 months ago

          Do you have to change your fuel pump that many times when driving for 24 hours? God I hope not. Even if that is fixed, you still have the issue of horrible range unless you want to tow a trailer of liquid hydrogen.

          You might want to give some actual backing up your claims. Jason Fenske at least has a mechanical engineering degree which is certainly more than any sources you have cited.

          Batteries are continually dropping in price. They also generally last 200-300k miles before they are down to 80-85% capacity. The only exception with that one is the Nissan Leaf which they decided to air cool. The quicker charging will be fixed with solid state batteries in the next 2-3 years.