By Glenn Greenwald / Rumble Following the recent protests against police in France, the French government has taken steps to implement increasingly repressive measures in the forms of mass surveillance and the rhetoric endorsement of online censorship.
Not really. Because “they” is quite unprecise here. It’s the same thing when policits are saying “people want this, people want that”. But people is composed by so many individuals and opinions that you can never say that “they want” something.
I guess you can have a majority on some topics but if you’re not changing the way we vote currently I’m pretty sure we’ll never be able to have a 100% positive opinion on something.
If you are a politician and don’t understand why your people are protesting, you need to just step down from your job because you’re very very bad at it.
But that’s not what’s happening. What’s happening is a fight for control. The people vs. the government.
I don’t agree with you, and I believe that this way of thinking is currently making a lot of bad things happen around the world. I hope one day you’ll change your point of view and instead of trying to have people confront you’ll hope they may work together.
I guess the issue with that argument is that you only apply it to people destroying things. Though it can be reversed to our political class currently. It’s more insidious of course because they have “the law” with them as they make them.
The main problem in France right now is not that we “have a long history of not being in line with our government and to destroy everything”, it’s that at this moment in time, the way politics are handled are very one sided. Our parliament is not listened and cannot vote on main topics (retirement is the main example but there was a dozen like this where government used the famous “49.3”).
So indeed, I agree with you, we won’t go far with violence, though it’s a bit biased to only speak of the degradation and violence of the street when it actually started by the one of our current government, and at the end, the main threat here is that the attention is all focused on the street degradation made by the people and not on the root cause of all this.
And I need to say it again to avoid misinterpretation : I’m in no way in agreement with any kind of violence.
PS : sorry if things are not crystal clear, I’m not a native english speaker.
I hope so but I must say I’m a bit pessimistic on the future of my country in terms of society.
But we never now, maybe at some point some charismatic leader with good intentions will shine.
Anway, on a side note, thanks for your way to debate and listen to others. You have been hard downvoted on some of your comments even if they were courteous, but I wish our parliament could discuss topics the way you do it at some point.
I hope so but I must say I’m a bit pessimistic on the future of my country in terms of society. But we never now, maybe at some point some charismatic leader with good intentions will shine.
I’ve been to several European countries, but not France. It pains me to watch these things happen, and it does sound like people are simply fed up with how things have been going (between them and government, or them and the police). I do hope that a resolution can be met without any bloodshed or further destruction of those communities.
Anway, on a side note, thanks for your way to debate and listen to others. You have been hard downvoted on some of your comments even if they were courteous, but I wish our parliament could discuss topics the way you do it at some point.
It’s not Reddit, so I don’t worry about downvotes. It’s a great form of nonviolent protest =)
Is the answer to let people destroy cities? I don’t understand the reasoning behind wanting inaction against mass vandalism, looting, and arson.
No, the answer is to give them what they want.
Not really. Because “they” is quite unprecise here. It’s the same thing when policits are saying “people want this, people want that”. But people is composed by so many individuals and opinions that you can never say that “they want” something. I guess you can have a majority on some topics but if you’re not changing the way we vote currently I’m pretty sure we’ll never be able to have a 100% positive opinion on something.
If you are a politician and don’t understand why your people are protesting, you need to just step down from your job because you’re very very bad at it.
But that’s not what’s happening. What’s happening is a fight for control. The people vs. the government.
I don’t agree with you, and I believe that this way of thinking is currently making a lot of bad things happen around the world. I hope one day you’ll change your point of view and instead of trying to have people confront you’ll hope they may work together.
I believe you may be a Russian disinformation bot so, agree to disagree I suppose
Like Russia and Ukraine are working together, vatnik?
Actually yes. I believe it would have been better to discuss instead of having a violent assaut from Russia.
But if you prefer War it’s your choice.
I guess the issue with that argument is that you only apply it to people destroying things. Though it can be reversed to our political class currently. It’s more insidious of course because they have “the law” with them as they make them. The main problem in France right now is not that we “have a long history of not being in line with our government and to destroy everything”, it’s that at this moment in time, the way politics are handled are very one sided. Our parliament is not listened and cannot vote on main topics (retirement is the main example but there was a dozen like this where government used the famous “49.3”).
So indeed, I agree with you, we won’t go far with violence, though it’s a bit biased to only speak of the degradation and violence of the street when it actually started by the one of our current government, and at the end, the main threat here is that the attention is all focused on the street degradation made by the people and not on the root cause of all this.
And I need to say it again to avoid misinterpretation : I’m in no way in agreement with any kind of violence.
PS : sorry if things are not crystal clear, I’m not a native english speaker.
I do appreciate you sharing that, and it does give me more knowledge about France.
Ultimately, I do hope that the people are heard and can move forward towards a socially productive and fair future.
I hope so but I must say I’m a bit pessimistic on the future of my country in terms of society. But we never now, maybe at some point some charismatic leader with good intentions will shine.
Anway, on a side note, thanks for your way to debate and listen to others. You have been hard downvoted on some of your comments even if they were courteous, but I wish our parliament could discuss topics the way you do it at some point.
I’ve been to several European countries, but not France. It pains me to watch these things happen, and it does sound like people are simply fed up with how things have been going (between them and government, or them and the police). I do hope that a resolution can be met without any bloodshed or further destruction of those communities.
It’s not Reddit, so I don’t worry about downvotes. It’s a great form of nonviolent protest =)