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Meaning he would really hate if biden wins. It’s always the same shit, accusing the “enemy” of exactly what they are doing, and pretending the exact opposite of what they want… Nothing new under the sun.
Imagine having coherent politics and recognizing that Putin knows that Biden is more stable than Trump and would be less likely to escalate the war in Ukraine…
…Instead of having to be like “is he playing mindgames? Is this him trolling us? He says he wants blue team to win in 2024, but we are blue team and we hate him!”
Trump seems like he is more likely to dismiss the war or help the Russian side by weakening NATO. Why would Biden be preferable to Russia if he is going to continue trying to supply Ukraine?
The thing is Trump would either weaken nato by insisting on member nations upping their military expenditures or escalate the war.
In the first case NATO doesn’t need to weaken for Russia to accomplish its immediate objectives, it is weak enough already.
In the latter case nukes might fly.
It makes sense for Putin to want Biden to stay president, there would be no additional winning and major risk with a Trump presidency.
or escalate the war.
This seems to run contrary to everything I’ve read about Trump’s position. The first half of what you said is at least somewhat accurate. But the second half is contradicted by numerous reports from Trump that his approach would have been to “take a deal” and get out, implicitly with substantial land concessions from Ukraine. And then there’s the fact that both of them have profess to having positive relationships with one another and admiring one another.
Trump did a random missile strike on an Iranian general, he can unpredictably escalate stuff.
But the second half is contradicted by numerous reports from Trump that his approach would have been to “take a deal” and get out.
Okay but do you think he’d actually follow through, and do you think that a negotiated end to the war would be a bad thing?
Trump did a random missile strike on an Iranian general
It wasn’t random. It was to appeal the warhawks in republican party. If you remember how it went, they were ramping up rhetorics and manufacturing consent for war with Iran, but that stopped really abruptly, like cut with knife. I don’t know what was the real reason or their combination, it might be that the manufacturing consent was not working as intended, maybe ithey pushed too fast, maybe Pentagon wasn’t ready, maybe because Iran shot down their most modern drone with old Soviet missile using domestically manufactured radar proving their deffensive capabilities were more significant than what Pentagon assumed. Anyway, the ramping to war stopped so suddenly that even the leading warhawk that is John Bolton was surprised and he even got sacked from WH which prompted him to publish book where he accuse Trump of being less warhawk than himself and many rep senators.
So Soleimani was assassinated to appease the warhawks and because US have to have last word.
Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer pulled the same sneering bullshit in 2020.
Anyone who parrots this sincerely can be blocked without hesitation or regret. No, the guy at war with Ukraine because he’s mad at NATO does not actually want the guy funding Ukraine instead of the guy undermining NATO.
I can’t even comprehend the people somehow awed by this trivial child-move. It is the most obvious stupid lie he could tell, and it doesn’t even prevent him from later saying the exact opposite, because the people who buy it don’t really care about words.
Wartime is the best time to pull out the block. Can’t remember how many people on mastodon I yeeted for cheering on the genocide of Palestine. All I can say is that my experience there has been a lot better ever since I did. Genocidal fascists are consistently the worst posters.
Thing is, Trump isn’t “undermining NATO”, he’s trying to escalate the war by calling upon member states to increase military expenditure or he says he’ll let Russia have at them - which is a lie of course, someone put in power through the US political system genuinely wanting to undermine their imperialist institutions would just be replaced, like JFK was for wanting to abolish the CIA.
It makes sense to prefer the more stable and predictable party over the one that’s less anti-Russia one day, then spouts some bs about Russian space nukes the next, specially when the war has more or less been working out for Russia lately under that stable party.
Aaand blocked.
The liberal mind is incapable of handling critical thinking
Reverse psychology? Is he trying to make libs think that Biden has been compromised by Russia, therefore Trump wins, which is actually what Putin wants?
or and here me out here, he is not lieing? just maybe, like you are doing lots of mental gymnastics to get to the point of he is lieing for reverse phycology and doing like a tripple bluff, when accams razer would sugest it is just he means what he says.
Note in no way am I pro Trump … nor do I want trump to win.
It doesn’t exactly take mental gymnastics to think Putin might lie about something if he thinks it’ll give him an advantage.
Agian I ask of Trudeau made the same claim, or the Prime Minister of New Zeeland, would you be making the same argument
Agian I ask of Trudeau made the same claim, or the Prime Minister of New Zeeland, would you be making the same argument
Wouldn’t that depend on their particular geopolitical interests, which could be entirely different from those of Russia?
I feel like these questions are so absurd sometimes not because an answer is being sought but because it succeeds at the goal of degrading the quality of conversation.
I am not trying to degrade the conversation, but I know how they usualy go. What I am saying is I feel that there is a fundimental lack of understanding of the geoplolitical interists of russia, and not only that, it would be the simpliler solution to assume that Putin is speaking honestly when he says he would prefer to work with Biden, even if that reasoning is as simple as he thinks biden has a better chance of winning and saying this now will make deplomacy easier in the future. I think it is a bit bold to just jump to the conclusion that because Putin has said X he really means Y, and it feels much more like the world view you subscribe to requries putin and the Russian Federation to want Y so no matter what is being said you will make it so it really means he belives Y.
I’m honestly not sure what you’re arguing for. All politicians lie constantly. I’m sure the ones you named also lie frequently. It’s all just mind games to confuse people during a war.
- this does not answer the question.
- do all politicians lie? is this like a universal truth of the universe? do they have to lie?
For 2., to be successful mostly so, unfortunately.
Agian, is this a universal truth or just in the US system or Liberal democratic system, is it not possible (and I am not saying the Russian Federation is this system I am now asking in hypotheticals) where that would not be the case
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Putin is no one’s friend but his own. I could go on but I remember your pro-Ruzzia tirades and it isn’t worth arguing with bad faith arguments, you’ll learn for yourself eventually when, shocking no one, shills like you outlive your usefulness and get disposed of.
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“Only the US has ever committed war crimes and genocide, my side is perfectly clean! I am very smart!”
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Does that mean Republicans are going to vote Biden since they shill Russia?
Nope. Just means that Republicans are going to switch back to anti Russia suddenly and without a reason except “he said democrats are good”
In reality, putler’s entire strategy for the US has been to create discord and chaos and bank on the fact that we’ll be too paralyzed as a country to properly react to the things Russia does.
Don’t think that’ll work in his favor but then again, he also thought he’d conquer Ukraine in 3 days…
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Bullshit
What’s unusual about preferring the more stable and predictable party? Republicans are less anti-Russia one day, then say some bs about space nukes the other. At least Biden’s a bit more consistent.
As if anyone cares
Americans seemed to care alot about Putin supposedly being a Trump supporter though
So that means dems will now have to turn against Biden because that admission is more proof than they ever had for Russiagate.
Multiple registered foreign agents ran The Idiot’s campaign. At least one of them went to prison.
For starters.
You can stop fucking this chicken.
edit: And he invited Russian spooks into the Oval Office, which we only know about because of Russian photographers.
edit: And his campaign met Russian agents in his big dumb building specifically to negotiate quid-pro-quo sanction relief for dirt on Hillary.
Hold your fetishes tight to yourself, i’m not interested. Also “one of them went to prison”, even if true, does not correspond at all to the scale of the supposed “russiagate”. Your party is in power for over 3 years, you could think they would found something more concrete if it was true.
A former CIA officer basically argued the same thing back in 2022
