• paultimate14@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Typographical errors aside, are you proposing any actual solutions or just trying to discourage people from voting?

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      6 months ago

      Oh no, far from that. Vote Biden all the way (I’m not voting cause I am not an American and not in the US).

      But I think that higher levels of political participation would have prevented this in the first place, as it would probably mean that waaaaay better candidates would come out of both parties (and eventually new ones)

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        6 months ago

        I used to think people who voted party above politics were the worst kinds of people. Then Trump won a term and I realized that while party politics were extremely stupid, we have a responsibility to do damage control. Failing to do damage control will result in someone with the IQ of a candy bracelet becoming leader of the free world and doing exactly what you think he’d do with that power.

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          Failing to do damage control will result in someone with the IQ of a candy bracelet becoming leader of the free world and doing exactly what you think he’d do with that power.

          I love this metaphor - after taking a moment to consider whether it’s unfair to candy bracelets…

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      6 months ago

      If you are looking for a more perfect reason to abandon a two party system it’s going to have to come up to you and put you in a headlock.

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        6 months ago

        “Abandon the two party systen” isn’t a solution.

        Supporting a 3rd party would be a solution. A terrible solution that has historically proven to only hurt the cause you are trying to support. But bad solutions are at least still solutions.

        Changing the election system is another solution. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is one of the many issues I consider when weighing who I vote for. But the reality is that law has not passed and may never pass, so we are stuck with the electoral college and first-past-the-post voting system in the US for the 2024 election.

        Then there’s coups. If you’re advocating for political violence I suggest you visit a nation experiencing it. There’s a reason so much of the country was terrified watching the news on January 6th 2021.

        Then there’s leaving the country, which is basically just an option for the wealthy or otherwise lucky exceptions. Not really fixing the system as much as abandoning it.

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          If no one supports third parties third parties will never have support. Ultimately campaign finance reforms that allow third parties to have a platform is what I’m looking for. The solution is a long game that not enough voters are interested in playing, but it starts with picking people within the two party system that are willing to make some basic reforms (financing and RCV) that can make room for more diverse candidates.

          Your nihilism brings nothing but more of the same clown shows that we have currently.

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    6 months ago

    They aren’t the best we’re able to come up with; regardless of your political camp there’s probably tens of thousands, if not millions, of better candidates in our population of 300,000,000. Biden and DJT aren’t even the “best candidates” inside their own parties!

    All Biden and DJT represent is what the DNC and GOP want to have in the race and that’s all.

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    6 months ago

    Turns out America isn’t actually that progressive, unfortunately. We have Biden and other such candidates because they are popular because they are moderate.

    But I agree with other comments: what’s the point of bitching about Biden at this point? The bed is made, lie in it or not it’s not going to get any cozier. The time to complain was when the 2016 primaries happened. And people did and it turns out America doesn’t agree with this idea. It sucks but that’s the hand we’re dealt. Complaining about the moderate without recognizing the incredible harm the actual fascist candidate will cause is deliberately campaigning for the fascist.

    Oh and if someone pushes for revolution: You first.

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      I will not be silent just because the least awful option has already been chosen for me.

      Frankly, the system isn’t working for the working class. Trusting it to start working at some point in the future is increasingly foolish. We need systemic change and it’s about time we start taking it, instead of asking politely. Organize your workplace. Make demands for healthcare and childcare.

      The writing is on the wall, they won’t stop until we don’t have a penny to ourselves. If we’re going to end up in poverty then let’s fucking take them down with us.

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        6 months ago

        Biden has actually been pretty great considering the limited power he has. I’m absolutely concerned about his age, but I don’t think we can get a better president than his first term without shaking up Congress.