US concerned NASA will be overtaken by China’s space program::undefined

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    6 months ago

    If they were truly concerned, they’d start giving it the funding it deserves.

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      They’ve tried everything except actually funding NASA, and they’re all outta ideas.

      NOTE: China WILL overtake NASA, the same way they are dominating the renewable energy sector — because they invest heavily in science, and they do it early. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand this shit.

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          Unfortunately that company is the best hope we have to stay ahead. With their low cost they can monopolize the worldwide launch market(except Russia and China). So that funding, strategically, must continue.

          What should also happen is funding spacex competitors, so we stay on the bleeding edge.

    • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world
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      That goes double for our educational system, which has been aggressively gutted by the GOP: People aren’t just born engineers and scientists. These greedy assholes have doomed us as a country.

      EDIT: GOP stands for Grand Old Party, which is the Republican party in the United States.

      Also to whoever asked and deleted their comment: There’s nothing wrong with asking questions when you don’t know what something means or otherwise want clarification.

    • demesisx@infosec.pub
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      I came here to say exactly this.

      Perhaps a space race with China would rekindle the motivation for our money grubbing demagogues to actually fund it.

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        No, it won’t. They’ll just relocate to China, or maybe a super yacht out in international waters. They’ll continue milking every last cent out of the US until it’s a dead dried up husk of a nation and then they’ll just move to the next one. Their supporters are too stupid to realize where the end of the path they’ve been told to walk is going to take them, and they’d rather blame anyone else but themselves for all the problems they face. So no, a space race with China won’t fix shit.

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          Judging by the state of the US, you’re much more likely to be right than I am, you cynical bastard!

          😂

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    Gee whiz, maybe we should have been properly funding our space program all of these years instead of wasting it on making the military industrial complex filthy fucking rich and the world less secure overall?

    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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      6 months ago

      Especially stupid considering last time they gave the space program appropriate funding, it led to a lot of advancements that the military industrial complex could use.

      • Windex007@lemmy.world
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        You make it sound like the military advancements were an unexpected byproduct, as opposed to the real goal.

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          The goal was optics. Kennedy didn’t know what advances would result from Apollo. He wanted to show that the US was better at science and technology than Russia.

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            The science of putting a ballistic payload anywhere, including heaven.

            The space race was awesome because it let the two countries measure their dicks (specifically their military dicks) without actually obliterating the planet.

            The “for all mankind” angle was a great way to frame things for the population of Earth, for sure. But just like mobile chemical WMD labs in Iraq, sometimes the given justification and actual justification are two different things.

            Don’t get me wrong, there absolutely were beneficial optics. Something doesn’t have to just be for one thing. But it was always primarily about practical demonstration of weapons capacity under the facade of human exploration.

    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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      People behind the scenes are siphoning NASA space research money and turning it into space profit instead. The growth of private space companies starting in the US is no coincidence. Blame oligarchs for steering the country into a dead end.

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        Hate on spacex and its competitors as much as you want, im not saying you dont have cause.

        But defunding NASA caused this. Those billionaires looked and said holy shit, the entire nasa budget is only that much? And they arent building rockets anymore? I can literally fund my own space program? Ide be crazy not to

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      To be fair, it’s not as if those things are mutually-exclusive. For example, you know how the Hubble Space Telescope is this extremely unique and nigh-irreplaceable scientific instrument that cost a pretty big fraction of NASA’s entire budget?

      Well, it turns out we actually have dozens of the damn things; it’s just that we couldn’t be bothered to actually point more than one of them away from Earth instead of towards it.

      Hell, a decade ago the National Reconnaissance Office gave NASA a couple for free 'cause they just had 'em lying around, but (as far as I know) NASA hasn’t managed to scrounge up enough money from the couch cushions to spruce 'em up and launch 'em yet.

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    This is a good thing. Competition with the USSR made NASA what it is.

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    6 months ago

    Choosing Musk and SpaceX for Artemis is likely NASAs biggest mistake.

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      It was always part of Musk’s plan to cripple NASA funding and pump that money into SpaceX.

    • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca
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      If you look at the Artemis mission and think starship is the weakest part of the plan, you are simply not being objective.

    • ikidd@lemmy.world
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      SpaceX has launched more successful missions this year than every other space agency put together.

      Fuck Musk and all that, but if you’re posting this bullshit, you have Musk derangement syndrome.

    • gaifux@lemmy.world
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      NASA is a fraud. Musk is just the latest goofy face of govt black projects. Keyfabe

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      Are you trying to say NASA hires “too many women, LGBTs and brown people”, and that this is holding them back?

      Is there something about straight, white cis males that makes them better at rocket science?

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        I don’t believe in racial science and “superiority”, however I refer to hiring based on only merit and not just for the sake of fulfilling a diversity quota. The tech industry has suffered enough because of this.

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          You don’t happen to have any numbers to back that up, by chance? Because you’re sure saying all the right things to make it sound like you’ve been wildly mislead about hiring diversity laws, and if we know what specific flavor of kool-aid you’ve been peddled we might be able to clear up the wild misconceptions / blatant lies