It’s because those billionaires are down there boosting the economy and creating jobs… for search and rescue teams.
Don’t you see? Rich people create jobs! Migrants just sit around and collect money from the hard work of everyone around them!
Oh wait, it’s the opposite isn’t it…
Tbh rich people do create jobs and migrants take those jobs usually
I up voted you because you aren’t wrong. At least in the sense of sweat shops. May not be good jobs, but they do technically count as jobs.
Not only sweat shops, if there is a little of human rights they can create pretty good working conditions and with competition salary rise up
The rich can only “create jobs” because we have an economic and political system that skews reward toward investment rather than labor. Both are important, but let’s not pretend that anyone can earn a billions without excessive wage theft from the people doing the actual labor.
It’s just supply and demand we have very few entrepreneurs while a tone of uneducated workers, obviously they are going to get paid less, they took 0 risks investment side
If these dumbasses have enough money to drop on a ticket aboard this sub to look at something you can see on a documentary, they should also have to foot the bill for the rescue mission. I’m sure all these rescue programs are tax funded that they dodge themselves. So, not only are they squirreling and eating up money we could all be using, but now we’re picking up the check.
It’s easy to polarize with such a headline/picture. Reality is way more nuanced than this:
Migrants are in fact being saved from shipwrecks, it is (sadly) in the news every week or so. The main problem is that these migrants don’t have communication devices with them to signal emergencies, unlike the submarine. The boat on the surface alarmed emergency services when they lost connection with the sub, starting the rescue operation. It is difficult to rescue a boat of migrants, when you don’t even know that they are in danger in the first place.
Secondly, the harsh reality is that most migrants try to enter a country illegally. Which by definition, is a huge risk on their part. The rich people on the sub were not doing anything illegal. However, in both cases, the people in or on the boat accepted the risks involved in their endeavor.
@Ronno the problem is making the natural human right of migration illegal in the first place.
How are you going to continue to enforce gun control in your country if there are zero borders?
@gun open migration doesn’t require the elimination of borders. There is a border between Germany & France, but that doesn’t mean they have to stop people from crossing it. It still exists, laws are different, etc.
If you don’t stop people from crossing it, how do you check what they are carrying? How do you prevent guns from moving across a border in that case?
@gun I don’t think we should.
@gun i don’t enforce gun control laws now. As far as those that do…well…ACAB.
@cmdr_nova lemmy.ml is certianly anti-facist, but to my knowledge is not anti-gun
@fu way to focus on exactly what I wasn’t talking about
@cmdr_nova I apologize, I had thought you were associating firearm freedom with fascism. Would you mind sharing with me what you were speaking of, as I clearly missed the point.
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@Banana no, it’s not.
… Of course it is? We have things like taxation and social safety nets that allow a society to function. Never mind the simple fact that some places are stressed for resources as it is. That’s not to say it can’t be done better, but it’s naive to think it’s “simple”. Never mind that simple doesn’t necessarily mean easy…
We have things like taxation due to capitalism’s inability to create a just society.
There, I fixed it for ya 😉
Yes it is, where will we house these migrants?
@Ronno @Banana this sounds very similar to “who will pick the cotton?” that was “just asking questions” as to why slavery should remain legal in the southern united states in the 19th century. It’s the right thing to do. One’s individual rights does not force obligations on the other. A freed market would provide.
IMO, those are very different situations, with slavery their freedom was taken. Most of the migrants (not refugees) are free, they are simply in search for a better life. Which is understandable, don’t get me wrong. But the picture that is painted is too bright, people hop on a boat to “paradise” and are promised a life of riches. The reality is, this is not the situation they will find themselves in. Even if we were to allow them into the country, they would still live poor lives. Sure some will succeed, but most of them don’t have the foundational knowledge/skills/command of the language of the country to get a job and find a place to live.
Meanwhile, looking at my own country The Netherlands, we see that natives are also struggling for housing. My generation is basically fucked, young families cannot buy nor rent a home to start their family in. This will impact The Netherlands for years/decades to come, it will be reflected in birth rate and future workforce. Allowing other people in the country now would be catastrophic.
On the other hand, recently there was an article about an approach by French farmers which I like. They sourced Moroccan workers, that could work in France for a couple months (IIRC max stay was 3 months), during this time, the workers would receive fair pay. After the work permit ends, the workers have to go back to Morocco. Then they are only allowed to go back to work in France after a period of time, with a new workers permit.
The key benefit is that workers bring the money back home, benefitting Morocco financially, and France with workforce. Most of this work by the farmers is seasonal anyway.
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Secondly, the harsh reality is that most migrants try to enter a country illegally
Great. Doesn’t mean you get to just outright murder them.
what happend to the 5 rich men?
They got pulverized
Apparently there’s been a “compress the rich” hashtag going around.
Though That 19 year old didn’t want any part in this, was scared of the whole thing, and only went to appease his father
Feel sorry for the kid. Didn’t deserve it when he was just trying to make his dad happy
Billionaire bloodline bludgeoned.
It’s a 19 year old kid, wtf…
I’m out of the loop on this one. What happened?
Some rich people got put into a submersible where the glass hatch is bolted to the vehicle. The pilot then proceeds to turn on the Xbox controller to activate the vehicle. None of these rich people thought they should ask if the vehicle had and safety precautions, or perhaps a fucking steering wheel. The media has gone nuts over this story. Like “balloon boy” nuts.
@jeebus @LoreleiSankTheShip the “Xbox Controller” concern is a little bit of a media boogeyman. Similar controllers are used for military vehicles too.
"The Logitech F710 gamepad is a third-party wireless controller that can be used to play PC games.
It is one of the cheaper and least reliable controllers currently on the market, and suffers from a number of issues.
Numerous reviews on Amazon claim that it often suffers from connectivity issues, where the controller refuses to connect wirelessly".
https://www.the-sun.com/tech/8411660/titan-video-game-controller-titanic-missing/amp/
Idk if the same trustworthiness applies to the specific controller that was allegedly used
while i understand the sentiment, it is quite novel when a submarine is lost vs when a surface ship is lost
@snipe_at that’s no reason to spend my tax money on it.
Oh no, 1% of my paycheck is going toward efforts to save lives
@DudePluto I’m not sure where you live, but in my part of the world approx. 50% of my income goes to taxes, either directly (sales tax, income tax, social security tax, medicare tax, property tax) or indirectly (taxes paid by people who make the things I buy that increases the overall cost of the things I buy). If some billionaire is stuck in a sub, whoever wants him alive can pay for it.
How much do you pay for US coast guard? I think people are moaning about nothing on this.
@ImFresh3x more than 0 is more than I want to pay.
I know this could be controversial, but in some countries immigration is quite a problem, there isn’t enough work for everyone and the crime just gets higher an higher plus they do it illegally, not quite the same even though I get y’all sentiment
It’s not controversial, it’s just wrong. Immigration never takes jobs away, it always allows to create more jobs by inflating the local economy. Miami absorbed Cuban migrants after Mariel, and went richer. It has been widely studied now: immigrants took first low paying jobs that were understaffed, it injected more money in the local economy and it allowed spouses who were not working because they were doing the low paying jobs for free (nannying for instance) to get back to high paying jobs, it injects more money… Same in Germany with Syrian intake
It isn’t always true tho it is true for developed countries with low birth rates. For many developing countries immigrants taking low level jobs is a negative because there isn’t enough high level jobs. And I am saying this as someone who is supportive of immigration
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The US federal government values the average citizen’s life at something like ~$12 million. This is mostly for policy like if 1,000 people a year die from something, say an unsafe ferris wheel design, a solution that would save them costing more than (1,000*12,000,000=)$12 billion would be rejected and considered not worth the economic cost. If the solution were cheaper, and cost like $500 million, then with good lobbying and a reasonable administration, it could easily become a new regulation.
Generally speaking if 5 anybodies went down like this submersible, you’d expect at least some millions to be spent in recovery missions.
The ~$12 million figure is what the NHTSA is currently using for its purposes.
average citizen’s life
That’s the problem, we allow our governments to treat people differently based on where they happen to have been born.
Overheard:
“They paid for the full Titanic experience and that’s what they got. What’s the problem?”
That’s not really comparable. When any citizen of a country gets lost either at sea or on land, large probably also multi million dollar searches are performed.
The difference is more to do with whether they’re immigrants or natives.
The difference is more to do with whether they’re immigrants or natives.
So migrant lives not mattering to people like you is true. Good to know you at least confirm that part of the meme. Disgusting.
Problem is the choices are;
A) seeing migrants die en masse makes people feel bad and helpless and weak.
B) Allowing people to say “stupid dumbass billionaires” makes people feel like they are better than some stupid dumbass billionaires.
It was always going to be B. Most times the media just goes where we demand it goes. If you want to complain about why the media is so shit -blame all of us.
@Col3814444 for me its certainly not about media, it’s about government spending.
Migrants shouldn’t go to europe in first place.
I’m thanking god (like ateist) every day that I’m not living in that part of europe where is raping, murdering, gang wars daily business.
For everyone who’s giving me thumb down - https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2023®ion=150
And why are they migrating, I wonder. If only there were reasons other than purely economic ones, like war, lack of stability, extreme droughts and other fucked up things we tend to think of while considering third world countries - many of them destabilized forever by the western nations.
The thing is, we’re both lucky, my Czech friend. They were not. What are they supposed to do? Die there, just because the richest and most privileged place in the world is too good to help out?
Muti Merkel and her ‘Wir schafen das’ promised them free money.
They came here for free money. Not for european culture and values.
Germans / French women and girls are raped every week by migrants.
Knife attacks are common business in Germany / France.
Sweden is admitting that they can’t handle gang wars made by migrants.Europe is getting to destroy by migrants because they don’t give fuck about europe.
Peace, love for everyone is one big fairy tale. World / nature / universe doesn’t work like it.
Move out of europe if you hate europe.
Man, the one and only reason humanity is a thing so different than the others is because we have a natural tendency towards helping out each other and cooperate in ways not observed amongst other species. Empathy and benevolence are inherently human traits and it’s what made our society rise above in the first place.
But some people are assholes and you’re a great example of that.
Least racist euro
You don’t live what we live so I don’t think you can understand
why would living in a different part of the world effect one’s morality?
Very easy actually, because they do not live the struggle they can easily say do this or do that but they don’t really know what it’s happening, just today a young girl, 12 yo, was raped by one of this immigrants, the crime rate went up a lot
rape is wrong, nothing changes that. Men rape women, do you want to deport all men?
Absolutely not only the one who do something wrong, as some as they are found guilty, seams reasonable enough to me, no? Unfortunately that would be the majority, but would make my country a better place
I think you missed the point there, they were talking about all men. If deportation prevents rape, that should, by your logic, endorse deporting any and all rapists. Also let’s throw in there that rapists come in all genders, so basically prevention through group deportation would leave us with a pretty empty country. (And who would take us in, then, as that would make us migrants ourselves?)
Edit: I am unsure if I interpreted your comment as intended - with “only the one who do something wrong”, were you refering to the sentenced migrants, or the sentenced men in general?
This is pinnacle of cringe.
